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--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Pressing Haze: Help Needed
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 5:06 PM
> Any idea why Mercury used styrene
> instead of vinyl?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Biel" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Pressing Haze: Help Needed
> 
> 
> > Aaron Levinson wrote:
> >> Don-
> >> 
> >> You are suggesting that one pass with a very worn
> stylus produced this kind of greying? That seems kind of
> hard to fathom 
> > 
> > Not if this is a styrene pressing rather than
> vinyl.  I have seen microgroove styrene pressings
> absolutely shredded when played by a 78 stylus or a stylus
> with a sharp facet.  You haven't told us if this
> pressing is vinyl or styrene. 
> >> considering all
> >> the other anecdotal evidence that suggests that
> Mercury and Emarcy seem to exhibit this "record cancer" when
> almost no other labels do?
> > 
> > Funny thing is that many early Mercury and Emarcy
> pressings are styrene when practically none others
> were.  A few Harmony and many Gold/Silver Crest LPs are
> also styrene, and Decca was using a slightly different type
> of styrene in the late 50s.  Most Columbia 45s were
> styrene.  Back-cueing  them by DJs can kill the
> first seconds of these. 
> > 
> >> I have seen many records that have been played by
> a worn stylus and are greying but none that I have ever
> seen, stop so abruptly as this record does.
> >> 
> >> AA
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > Since most microgroove records are vinyl, I would
> expect that this would be almost everybody's
> experience.  But I have seen it happen.
> > 
> > Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]
> > 
> >> Don Chichester wrote:
> >>>  In a message dated 11/30/2009 5:12:06
> P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  [log in to unmask]
> writes:
> >>> 
> >>> Mike  Gray wrote:
> >>>  
> >>>> Played with a *very* worn stylus that's
> damaged the groove  -
> >>>> Groove wear is a potential culprit Mike
> but in this case it can be  conclusively ruled out.
> This haze stops dead two thirds of the way  through
> track 2 only on the first side. The worn stylus theory
> is  simply not an option with a condition like this. I
> think it is far  more likely to be some kind of mold,
> storage and/or pressing  defect.
> >>>>     
> >>> 
> >>> AA
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> My experience is that this exactly the cause
> of the haze.  The former  owner played the record
> two-thirds of the way through track two--then noticed 
> the wear and lifted the stylus at that point.
> >>>  Don Chichester
> >>> 
> >>>   
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
>