On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:39:10 -0800, Per Bothner wrote
> On 01/26/2010 10:54 AM, Edward C. Zimmermann wrote:
> > On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:15:31 -0800, Per Bothner wrote
> >> I notice the proposal uses '/' for a date range,
> >> and '-' as a date component separator.  Unfortunately,
> >> I think this is the reverse of what most "humans"
> >> (at least in the US) expect.  I.e. traditionally when
> >
> > That's precisely the point. Most humans don't live in the US or are US
> > ex-pats.
> Actually, '/' is common as a separator in European locales, too.
> At least Norwegian, which I know well!

In Norge the syntax is: Year/Month/Day
In other countries using the / notation we have: Month/Day/Year
and Day/Month/Year

I don't know any place that uses the convention:
but ...

> > The standard date syntax used in the U.S. clashes with the syntax
> > found in many other countries and is thus quite ambiguous.
> However, YYYY/MM/DD would have been unambigious - though that

No it not. Fine when YYYY > 31 or DD > 12 but not all cases.. Even using
YYYY notation for year we still have years < 31 or years <12 and they
can create problems.. 
If we agree that the format **IS** YYYY/MM/DD then its just ISO with / instead
of the optional (in ISO) -.. nothing to gain but confusion.

> is water under the bridge, and not the issue at hand.  As I wrote
> "For compatibility reasons we're stuck with using '-' as a separator".
> Sorry if I gave the impression that I was arguing for replacing
> the YYYY-MM-YY syntax - I think it was a mistake, but not a big one,

In ISO the - is optional in ISO but mandatory in W3c standards.. 

1960-12-12 is the same as 19601212. The point of the - is to allow for
parsing saving the 0.

1960-6-7 instead of 19600607

> and we're stuck with it.
> However, it is hopefully not too late to stop the use of '/'
> to indicate a range.

Time intervals (ranges) in the ISO standard are defined with /


ISO 8601 is FILLED with all kinds of stuff.. our aim, I think, is to
reduce ISO 8601 to a core of what we need (and perhaps add a few things
that are "missing"). Our aim is NOT to start the process all over! 

--- I'm only interested in ALL the formats used in text to denote dates
as I'm nutty enough to try to parse them (for date search) as they are.


Edward C. Zimmermann, NONMONOTONIC LAB
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