George, I hear what you're saying, but there is no such thing as "unedited history" beyond what is 
processed in an individual's brain, and then it's only that individual's unedited history. Everyone 
chooses what to keep and what not to keep, what face they show the world and what they take to their 
grave. And history gets rewritten all the time. You are seeking an unreachable (if noble) goal if 
you are advocating saving "examples of everything" or thinking there's such a thing as "unedited raw 
history." I would suggest part of the reason that humans are doomed to repeat history forever is 
that it's impossible to ever "preserve" history beyond the first-person experience. What we're 
preserving are biased interpretations and "sampling" of first-person experiences and calling it 

When you get into recorded music, it's even more of a false premise that what's being preserved is 
"history." I always keep in mind a conversation I had with a classical pianist once, when the man 
was in his 70's. Somehow we got on the subject of how he'd be remembered and he glumly noted that 
his recordings would stand far longer than the experience of seeing him in concert. Yet, he had 
spent thousands more hours performing in concert -- and he believed he had performed every single 
work he had done best in concert -- than in front of microphones making records. So you can see how 
this is the classic example of "sampling" first-person experiences and calling it history. The same 
can be said of much recorded music. I think where the argument gets trickier is for the few albums 
and genres that are completely creations of the studio, that they stand as music and also 
performance art, as a stand-alone work rather than an edited summary of what the artist performs 
numerous times and possibly in very different ways in front of live audiences.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Brock-Nannestad" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The trials of trying to give away a record collection

> From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad
> Hello,
> Tom Fine wrote some wise words about collections and their public worth, but
> then came a clanger:
> Much better to have a little pail of golden wheat than a silo of
>> chaffe.
> ----- now, there speaks a person who wants to decide what the future should
> research! It is an error of judgement of huge proportions. Everybody has that
> pail, because that is what constituted "good taste". It is the ephemeric
> stuff, the stuff that only lived for a short time, the stuff that was played
> again and again, because those who bought the item had no more for a whole
> month and could not affort to buy another one until more money was available,
> that is the stuff that is hard to find. Wear in itself may tell the
> researcher very much indeed.
> Try to make a list of the items of information -- intended and non-intended --
> that sits in a given artefact, in this case a record and its cover, and you
> will be astounded how many traces of the recording, manufacturing,
> distribution and listening processes you will find. You will realise that
> golden wheat is just as sterile as the corn sold by Monsanto companies. They
> decide what we are going to eat.
> I am sorry about the harsh words, but there are some who have looked at
> records as multifaceted cultural objects for many, many years, and a
> statement like this rubs me the wrong way.
> Kind regards,
> George
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Durenberger" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The trials of trying to give away a record
>> collection
>> > >From the perspective of a Museum operative (Pavek) it should be noted
>> that
>> > in today's environment it's difficult to accept a collection without also
>> finding the funding for
>> > the collection's preservation.  It's too bad, but that's often the
>> situation...
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Mark Durenberger
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Richard L. Hess" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >>
>> cordings-90816414.html
>> >>
>> >> The University of Manitoba first accepted and then rejected a donation of
>> 56,500 discs. Some
>> >> points in the article don't seem to hold up (like dates and record
>> types), but here is a
>> >> collection of 56,500 discs dating back to 1913 that appears to be looking
>> for a home. Cheers,
>> >> Richard
>> >