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Hi Lisa,

I know where you're coming from, well done in spending all that time studying as well as raising a family.

I was accepted at several places in my younger years most notably Berklee School of Music when I was 20 (Quincy Jones was lecturing) but my parents thought that would be a dead end street for me. It was a long way away from New Zealand in the 1907's. My mother's god-son Brian Finn has already thrown away his university career and foolishly gone to London, played weird music and used his middle name. They didn't want me doing the same barmy thing. 

We are happy to contribute to you any aspects you may want to discuss. I don't have time to regret all the things that may have been, I just look forward to what's around the corner. I also have 2 children and I'm their primary care-giver whilst my darling wife persues a stellar career which I am only too happy to support. We live in wonderful times really.

Paul Turney





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From: Lisa Lobdell [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 07:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Audio preservation-was Glass Records

Roger, I couldn't agree more. But, if you want the archivist job so badly, why not go back to school and get the degree(s) like I did. My "questionable" real world experience involves raising 4 children, working in a variety of jobs, and helping my husband open and run 3 thriving businesses since he retired 6 years ago. Which is probably why my resume, and not those of my younger classmates, was forwarded to the organization where I am now interning.Lisa Roger Kulp wrote:> I had always thought there ought to be a way to apply knowledge acquired as a collector to an archival job.Why is someone with six years of college, a library science degree,and questionable real world experience better than someone with thirty or forty years experience as an advanced collector, and started as a child, as most of us did,but have no such degree?>> Roger> >>>>>> ________________________________> From: Steven C. Barr > To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 10:19:54 PM> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Audio preservation-was Glass Records>> --------------------------------------------------> From: "Karl Miller" > >> Yes, MLS means Master of Library Science. And it's true that very few library/archival programs provide extensive training in audio preservation. They focus on text, and rightly so, because that's what the vast majority of librarians and archivists work with. Very few of us are lucky enough to work with sound recordings.>> I think it is informative to read David Seubert's well-considered statement in the ARSC newsletter. He points out, as I have for years, at the lack of interest in audio on the part of libraries. Central to all of this is the lack of any regularized funding for audio preservation. Grants are not the answer.>> Also, here at the University of Texas, our Preservation School was dissolved, and while a few classes in preservation remain, whatever specialization there was in preservation has been abandoned. In some ways the lack of serious training in preservation makes sense...if libraries are not interested in preservation, why train students in that discipline? As I pointed out in one of my articles, about 3% of the total budgets of the member libraries of the Association of Research Libraries is spent on preservation, with the bulk of that going to things like the binding of serials...assuming libraries are still getting paper copies...not even considering the implications of just getting access to publications electronically=not owning your own copy. Similarly, it is likely that many music libraries will cease buying CDs in the not too distant future.>> Further, as I would assume all of us would agree, you can't teach audio preservation in two 3-hour courses, which is what I tried to do for several years. You can probably teach audio preservation "appreciation" in that length of time.>> As all of us on this list know, depending on the nature of what needs to be preserved, audio preservation can require a broad range of knowledge; an understanding of the digital and analog technologies, acoustics, chemistry, etc. to knowledge of discography and, in the case of music recordings, music training. Interestingly, considering the incredible experience many on this list have, I would be amazed if many libraries would consider hiring any of you who are practitioners. Perhaps Library of Congress being the one exception to that perspective.>> Karl (who thinks that much of the future of libraries can be found in the past)>>>> > I used to find it both annoying and frustrating that I would NEVER be considered> for a position involving archiving sound recordings, since I lacked any relevant> degrees! Meanwhile, I have accumulated and to some extent catalogued some> 57,000 78rpm recordings...as well as created one of the standard reference> works for the keepers of similar archives. To what extent are to-day's sound> archivists aware of discography and/or its standard reference sources?!>> Steven C. Barr>>> >>