I am not sure that I understand Kevin's response. These points that he emphasizes make it clear to me that we should stay sane instead of plunging into insanity so to speak, because that will make us feel good: "While on the one hand the test does "undermine authority control" "implementation will be horribly costly" "the authority records and related bib records can be updated as necessary making adjustments as needed to RDA records in their own catalogs. This may be an inconvenience for a while" The point that Kevin makes is in itself outrageous: "I feel that the likely outcome next spring will be that RDA *will* be implemented. It's not that I think the test is a sham, but just that all of the factors involved will make it pretty much inevitable." If this is a foregone conclusion, why bother with a test? Wojciech Siemaszkiewicz New York Public Library Library Services Center 31-11 Thompson Ave. Long Island City, N.Y. 11101 (917) 229-9603 e-mail: [log in to unmask] Re: Using existing NARs Kevin M. Randall to: PCCLIST 10/29/2010 11:47 AM Sent by: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> Please respond to Program for Cooperative Cataloging While I understand Deborah Tomaras' concerns, I absolutely disagree with her suggestions to use already-established AACR2 forms of name in RDA records for the test. While on the one hand the test does "undermine authority control", not to use RDA forms of name in an RDA record would, on the other hand, completely undermine the test. How are we to test the results of RDA if the set of records aren't fully RDA? Personally, I feel that the likely outcome next spring will be that RDA *will* be implemented. It's not that I think the test is a sham, but just that all of the factors involved will make it pretty much inevitable. The value in the RDA test will be in finding out how well the guidelines work, how well the new records play with others, what options are better than others, and just overall what would be the best way to implement RDA. (And I fear that implementation will be horribly costly, but I also fear that if we don't make an effort toward the future that RDA is pointing to--especially the RDA Vocabularies and linked data--then the cost will end up being greater.) Once we know what's what, the authority records and related bib records can be updated as necessary. There has been a lot of publicity about the RDA test, so most library cataloging units should be aware of it and take whatever steps they need to accomodate it. That includes making adjustments as needed to RDA records in their own catalogs. This may be an inconvenience for a while. But at a time when some people are decrying the lack of research into FRBR and other things, it would be a shame not to take this opportunity to honestly test out RDA. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Bibliographic Services Dept. Northwestern University Library 1970 Campus Drive Evanston, IL 60208-2300 email: [log in to unmask] phone: (847) 491-2939 fax: (847) 491-4345 > -----Original Message----- > From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Deborah Tomaras > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:58 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Using existing NARs > > Ms. Kuhagen and others: > > I haven't seen any discussion about the wisdom of using RDA forms of names > in bibliographic records, when there is an already established AACR2 > authority record. It seems to me that this would cause tremendous > international problems in all existing library databases. > > If a record is coded PCC or has ELvl blank/4/I, copy cataloging units would > accept this record as is, assuming all authority work to be done, thus > creating errors in the catalog. And all libraries in the future, whether or > not they personally create RDA records, would likely use RDA records into > their databases when created by others, increasing authority discrepancies > in their catalogs. > > For example, in OCLC #670738890 (coded ELvl blank and 042 PCC), Antoni > Gasiorowski, who has an authority record without a date, is instead entered > in an unauthorized form with a date, and left uncontrolled as if there is > no heading already existing in the authority file. Locally, this would have > been accepted by our copy cataloging unit without checking headings, > leading to a conflict with our already existing records with the > authorized/undated form. > > I have always assumed that our primary mission, as cataloging librarians, > is to create a coherent, efficient and correct catalog for users to locate > information in. If we undermine authority control, as is being done in this > RDA test, we are compromising one of cataloging's great strengths, what we > point to when asserting that library catalogs are "better than Google" for > searching and retrieval. > > Deborah Tomaras > Librarian II > Western European Languages Team > New York Public Library > Library Services Center > 31-11 Thomson Ave. > Long Island City, N.Y. 11101 > (917) 229-9561 > [log in to unmask]