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It seems to me that there is substantial confusion about name authority headings included in the NAF file. The discussion thread below is just an example of it. Part of the problem is that the RDA proponents refuse to compromise on accepting established NAF headings according to AACR2 rules. Instead, they forge ahead to create RDA headings in existing NAF files and include them in their RDA bibliographical records. We have already discussed irresponsibility of such approach and the PCC decision to discontinue it after the RDA test was a logical solution. However, the question of continuing of such approach in RDA bibliographical records after the test is ended will certainly create a problem for OCLC and libraries using OCLC records for their copy cataloging. It is certain that in January 2011 there will be some libraries creating RDA bibliographical records with unauthorized (RDA) authority records and libraries continuing AACR2 cataloging following established rules for creation of bibliographical records and authority headings. Therefore there will be bibliographical records in OCLC for the same items coded in different cataloging languages, but also in different rules (RDA and AACR2). Will the OCLC follow our suggestions and code and group these records separately as it does with foreign cataloging records? Will there be a separate authority files to accommodate RDA headings? I give you an example of such extreme RDA name authority headings: Wilde, Oscar, ǂd 1854-1900 [it sounds simple and is widely accepted] Here comes RDA and makes it into Wilde, Oscar ǂq (Oscar Fingal O'Flahertie Wills), ǂd 1854-1900. In addition RDA also supplies the following 374 dramatist ǂa poet 375 male 377 eng What is that? Why is it there? And finally who needs it? The authority record already contained 4001 Wilde, Oscar Fingall O'Flahertie Wills, ǂd 1854-1900 as well as 670 LCCN48-33420: His Children in prison ... 1898 ǂb (hdg.: Wilde, Oscar, 1854-1900; variant: Oscar Fingall O'Flahertie Wills Wilde) I assume that extreme RDA added the following as well 670 Wikipedia, 18 November 2010 ǂb (Oscar Fingal O'Flahertie Wills Wilde (16 October 1854-30 November 1900) was an Irish writer, poet) How are all these RDA changes making this particular entry any better or explaining any better who Oscar Wilde was? It seems to me that catalogers or RDA proponents who grew up on Wikipedia and Youtube needed to add Wikipedia as a resource although it did not supply anything new or vital to already existing authority record. This example follows previous examples of Elvis Presley and Richard Wagner discussed earlier. Wojciech Siemaszkiewicz New York Public Library Library Services Center 31-11 Thompson Ave. Long Island City, N.Y. 11101 (917) 229-9603 e-mail: [log in to unmask] Please note, any opinions expressed above do not necessarily reflect those of The New York Public Library. Re: Policy Committee meeting outcomes (Clarification on Decision 2) Riemer, John to: PCCLIST 12/17/2010 12:54 AM Sent by: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]> Please respond to Program for Cooperative Cataloging Diane and others, It appears best to follow AACR2 for the entire heading, if any part of it is AACR2, and to code it as such. Hybrid headings could turn out to be too challenging to get flipped into complete conformance to a single code, once an implementation decision is reached. If the "building block" you are using is RDA, keep the entire new heading in RDA. You may consult [log in to unmask] for help. Adding 7XX fields in authority records is considered optional. If you encounter a situation such as Bob Maxwell described today, where the AACR2 heading and the RDA heading are not equivalent in scope, and a portion of the required RDA heading would conflict with an established AACR2 heading, use AACR2 to catalog the item during this interim period. John -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Boehr, Diane (NIH/NLM) [E] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:47 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Policy Committee meeting outcomes (Clarification on Decision 2) John, If you are using an AACR2 authority record as a building block for a new RDA heading, how would the resulting authority record be coded: AACR2 or RDA? If in your second example, the new subordinate entity was not Tobacco Advisory Group, but the Department of Tobacco Advice, would a library doing RDA cataloging establish a hybrid heading ($a=AACR2 and $b=RDA)? AACR2 authority record 110 2_ $a Royal College of Physicians of London 710 24 $a Royal College of Physicians (London, England) New heading needed for cataloging 110 2_ $a Royal College of Physicians of London. $b Department of Tobacco Advice 710 24 $a Royal College of Physicians (London, England). $b Department of Tobacco Advice OR 110 2_ $a Royal College of Physicians of London. $b Dept of Tobacco Advice 710 24 $a Royal College of Physicians (London, England). $b Department of Tobacco Advice Also, what about guidance for those of us who are continuing to catalog in AACR2, but may encounter RDA authority records. I assume the PCC still wants us to use the form of name in the 1XX field in our bibliographic record. Are we expected to add 7XXs for the AACR2 form of the name? And what happens if you need to use an RDA authority record as a building block for a new AACR2 heading? How would that resulting authority record get coded? Diane Boehr Head of Cataloging National Library of Medicine 8600 Rockville Pike, Room 1N11 Bethesda, MD 20894 301-435-7059 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Riemer, John [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:30 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Policy Committee meeting outcomes (Clarification on Decision 2) Bob, The 1XX forms from existing AACR2 authority records are to be used in bibliographic records. This is true even when the AACR2 form represents a "building block" in a new heading being formulated. RDA forms may be added to 7XX fields in the authority records, particularly when the heading form would be different. Examples: AACR2 authority record 100 1_ $a Brown, George, $c Rev. 700 14 $a Brown, George $c (Clergyman) New heading needed for cataloging 100 1_ $a Brown, George, $c Rev. $t Poems 700 14 $a Brown, George $c (Clergyman). $t Poems AACR2 authority record 110 2_ $a Royal College of Physicians of London 710 24 $a Royal College of Physicians (London, England) New heading needed for cataloging 110 2_ $a Royal College of Physicians of London. $b Tobacco Advisory Group 710 24 $a Royal College of Physicians (London, England). $b Tobacco Advisory Group The Policy Committee has also slightly revised the final portion of Decision 2: 2. After the test period ends in Dec. 2010, PCC members may continue to use the RDA testing guidelines from Jan. 2 until further notice, with the exception that already-established AACR2 heading forms should be used in bibliographic records. This decision will be reevaluated at the time an implementation decision is made. John John Riemer Head, UCLA Library Cataloging & Metadata Center Kinross South 11020 Kinross Avenue Box 957230 (campus mail code 723011) Los Angeles, CA 90095-7230 +1 310.825.2901 voice +1 310.794.9357 fax [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 2:04 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Policy Committee meeting outcomes Decision 2 needs a bit of clarification, perhaps: "2. After the test period ends in Dec. 2010, PCC members may continue to use the RDA testing guidelines from Jan. 2 until further notice, with the exception that already-established AACR2 heading forms should be used in bibliographic records. This decision will be reevaluated in April 2011." A. I assume this means we will continue to add 7XX fields to the authority records for the RDA form, which may differ from the AACR2 form in the 1XX field, but we will use the 1XX form in the bib record. B. What about brand new RDA authority records related to existing AACR2 authority forms? Presumably we are to use the RDA form in the 1XX of those records (and in the RDA bib record), but what if that form differs from the AACR2 form on the related authority record? E.g. (example from the "testing guidelines"): AACR2 authority record 100 1_ $a Brown, George, $c Rev. 700 14 $a Brown, George $c (Clergyman) New RDA authority record 100 1_ $a Brown, George $c (Clergyman). $t Poems Bob Robert L. Maxwell Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept. 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Les Hawkins Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:49 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Policy Committee meeting outcomes PCC Colleagues, The PCC Policy Committee (PoCo) met November 4-5, 2010 for its annual meeting. Decisions and action items from the meeting are available and posted on the PCC web site: http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/PCC-Actions.html Les Hawkins CONSER Coordinator Library of Congress [log in to unmask]