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Mary,

I don't think the testers are confused. No2010160564 is correctly formed under the policies for the test. The new PCC policy is a change affecting this case that will apply after the end of the test.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept.
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568


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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Mastraccio
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:29 AM
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Subject: Re: Policy Committee meeting outcomes (Clarification on Decision 2)

John,

Your explanation sounds correct/best to me but that is not what happened in this situation

See n  81079488   100 0   $aShenute,$dca. 348-466 
    no2010160564  100 0   $aShenute,$dapproximately 348-466.$tWorks.$kSelections.$lEnglish.$f1993


When I brought this to LC's attention--my understanding of the RDA test rules were that the new record should still follow the established form in the 1xx--I was told:

[LC COMMENT:]  In the document "US RDA Test Policy for the Extra Set: Use of Existing Authority and Bibliographic Records" (http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/RDAtest/admindoc1.doc) this situation is Scenario 1, section 2:   When the entity represented by the AACR2 form in the 1XX in the authority record is needed as ***part of an authorized access point*** in the bibliographic record (e.g., the person in a name/title access point, the higher body in a body/subordinate body access point, the local place as a qualifier in a conference access point) ....

It would be OK if someone added an AACR2 form in a 7XX field in the new RDA compound authority record, but we weren't requiring people to do that.  As I recall, the coordinating committee didn't want to force people to formulate both an RDA and AACR2 form for the new entity (the time spent was already skewed against RDA for having to record the form in the AACR2 record for the name-only record).
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Things are still not clear to even the testers, let alone everyone else.

Mary L. Mastraccio, MLS
Cataloging & Authorities Librarian
MARCIVE, Inc.
San Antonio Texas 78265
1-800-531-7678
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Riemer, John
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:30 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Policy Committee meeting outcomes 
> (Clarification on Decision 2)
> 
> Bob, 
>    
> The 1XX forms from existing AACR2 authority records are to be 
> used in bibliographic records.  This is true even when the 
> AACR2 form represents a "building block" in a new heading 
> being formulated.  RDA forms may be added to 7XX fields in 
> the authority records, particularly when the heading form 
> would be different.  Examples:
> 
> 
> AACR2 authority record
> 
> 100 1_ $a Brown, George, $c Rev.
> 700 14 $a Brown, George $c (Clergyman)
> 
> New heading needed for cataloging
> 
> 100 1_ $a Brown, George, $c Rev. $t Poems 700 14 $a Brown, 
> George $c (Clergyman). $t Poems
> 
> 
> AACR2 authority record
> 
> 110 2_ $a Royal College of Physicians of London 710 24 $a 
> Royal College of Physicians (London, England)
> 
> New heading needed for cataloging
> 
> 110 2_ $a Royal College of Physicians of London. $b Tobacco 
> Advisory Group 710 24 $a Royal College of Physicians (London, 
> England). $b Tobacco Advisory Group
> 
> 
> The Policy Committee has also slightly revised the final 
> portion of Decision 2:
> 
> 2. After the test period ends in Dec. 2010, PCC members may 
> continue to use the RDA testing guidelines from Jan. 2 until 
> further notice, with the exception that already-established 
> AACR2 heading forms should be used in bibliographic records. 
> This decision will be reevaluated at the time an 
> implementation decision is made.
> 
>    John
> 
> John Riemer
> Head, UCLA Library Cataloging & Metadata Center Kinross South 
> 11020 Kinross Avenue Box 957230 (campus mail code 723011) Los 
> Angeles, CA  90095-7230
> +1 310.825.2901 voice
> +1 310.794.9357 fax
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 2:04 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Policy Committee meeting outcomes
> 
> Decision 2 needs a bit of clarification, perhaps:
> 
> "2. After the test period ends in Dec. 2010, PCC members may 
> continue to use the RDA testing guidelines from Jan. 2 until 
> further notice, with the exception that already-established 
> AACR2 heading forms should be used in bibliographic records. 
> This decision will be reevaluated in April 2011."
> 
> A. I assume this means we will continue to add 7XX fields to 
> the authority records for the RDA form, which may differ from 
> the AACR2 form in the 1XX field, but we will use the 1XX form 
> in the bib record.
> 
> B. What about brand new RDA authority records related to 
> existing AACR2 authority forms? Presumably we are to use the 
> RDA form in the 1XX of those records (and in the RDA bib 
> record), but what if that form differs from the AACR2 form on 
> the related authority record? E.g. (example from the "testing 
> guidelines"):
> 
> AACR2 authority record
> 
> 100 1_ $a Brown, George, $c Rev.
> 700 14 $a Brown, George $c (Clergyman)
> 
> New RDA authority record
> 
> 100 1_ $a Brown, George $c (Clergyman). $t Poems
> 
> Bob
> 
> Robert L. Maxwell
> Head, Special Collections and Formats Catalog Dept.
> 6728 Harold B. Lee Library
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> (801)422-5568
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Les Hawkins
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:49 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Policy Committee meeting outcomes
> 
> PCC Colleagues,
> 
> The PCC Policy Committee (PoCo) met November 4-5, 2010 for 
> its annual meeting. Decisions and action items from the 
> meeting are available and posted on the PCC web site: 
> http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/PCC-Actions.html  
> 
> Les Hawkins
> CONSER Coordinator
> Library of Congress
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>