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Dear Colleagues,

 

Håvard’s suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a formal vote.

I agree with the modification of the name in French.

 

Best regards

Christian

 

 

From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad
Sent: Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Tetum, tet - French name

 

Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee,

 

Below is a request relating to the language Tetum (alpha-3 identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: tet). The main request was for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this case. The main “problem” seemed to be that their software required alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer.

 

But: The request uses the French form “tétoum”, while our database has the French form “tetum” only. Having looked at various sources I have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as “tetun”), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in English and French.

 

My proposal is that we don’t do anything with the English name, but that the French name is changed
FROM “tetum”
TO “tétoum; tetum”.

 

Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot?

 

Best regards,
Håvard

 

--------------------

Håvard Hjulstad

  (prosjektleder / Project Manager)

  Standard Norge / Standards Norway

  [log in to unmask]

------=_NextPart_000_004D_01CBFC92.08D1E7F0-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:49:04 -0400 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: "Patton,Glenn" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name In-Reply-To: A<004c01cbfc81$454917f0$cfdb47d0$@[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBFDC7.0001A2BB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBFDC7.0001A2BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree also. --Glenn From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christian Galinski Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:57 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [ISOJAC] Subject: Tetum, tet - French name Dear Colleagues, Håvard's suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a formal vote. I agree with the modification of the name in French. Best regards Christian From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad Sent: Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Tetum, tet - French name Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee, Below is a request relating to the language Tetum (alpha-3 identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: tet). The main request was for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this case. The main "problem" seemed to be that their software required alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer. But: The request uses the French form "tétoum", while our database has the French form "tetum" only. Having looked at various sources I have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as "tetun"), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in English and French. My proposal is that we don't do anything with the English name, but that the French name is changed FROM "tetum" TO "tétoum; tetum". Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot? Best regards, Håvard -------------------- Håvard Hjulstad (prosjektleder / Project Manager) Standard Norge / Standards Norway [log in to unmask] ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBFDC7.0001A2BB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree also.

 

--Glenn

 

From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christian Galinski
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ISOJAC] Subject: Tetum, tet - French name

 

 

Dear Colleagues,

 

Håvard’s suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a formal vote.

I agree with the modification of the name in French.

 

Best regards

Christian

 

 

From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad
Sent: Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Tetum, tet - French name

 

Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee,

 

Below is a request relating to the language Tetum (alpha-3 identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: tet). The main request was for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this case. The main “problem” seemed to be that their software required alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer.

 

But: The request uses the French form “tétoum”, while our database has the French form “tetum” only. Having looked at various sources I have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as “tetun”), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in English and French.

 

My proposal is that we don’t do anything with the English name, but that the French name is changed
FROM “tetum”
TO “tétoum; tetum”.

 

Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot?

 

Best regards,
Håvard

 

--------------------

Håvard Hjulstad

  (prosjektleder / Project Manager)

  Standard Norge / Standards Norway

  [log in to unmask]

------_=_NextPart_001_01CBFDC7.0001A2BB-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 10:54:12 -0400 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: "Guenther, Rebecca" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name In-Reply-To: <004c01cbfc81$454917f0$cfdb47d0$@[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_73E50E886286FC46AB65DBE1954443951A956BA0E1LCXCLMB03LCDS_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_73E50E886286FC46AB65DBE1954443951A956BA0E1LCXCLMB03LCDS_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also agree. We can add this form to the ISO 639-2 code list. Rebecca ________________________________ From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christian Galinski [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:57 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name Dear Colleagues, Håvard’s suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a formal vote. I agree with the modification of the name in French. Best regards Christian From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad Sent: Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Tetum, tet - French name Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee, Below is a request relating to the language Tetum (alpha-3 identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: tet). The main request was for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this case. The main “problem” seemed to be that their software required alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer. But: The request uses the French form “tétoum”, while our database has the French form “tetum” only. Having looked at various sources I have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as “tetun”), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in English and French. My proposal is that we don’t do anything with the English name, but that the French name is changed FROM “tetum” TO “tétoum; tetum”. Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot? Best regards, Håvard -------------------- Håvard Hjulstad (prosjektleder / Project Manager) Standard Norge / Standards Norway [log in to unmask] --_000_73E50E886286FC46AB65DBE1954443951A956BA0E1LCXCLMB03LCDS_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also agree. We can add this form to the ISO 639-2 code list.
 
Rebecca

From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christian Galinski [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name

 

Dear Colleagues,

 

Håvard’s suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a formal vote.

I agree with the modification of the name in French.

 

Best regards

Christian

 

 

From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad
Sent: Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Tetum, tet - French name

 

Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee,

 

Below is a request relating to the language Tetum (alpha-3 identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: tet). The main request was for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this case. The main “problem” seemed to be that their software required alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer.

 

But: The request uses the French form “tétoum”, while our database has the French form “tetum” only. Having looked at various sources I have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as “tetun”), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in English and French.

 

My proposal is that we don’t do anything with the English name, but that the French name is changed
FROM “tetum”
TO “tétoum; tetum”.

 

Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot?

 

Best regards,
Håvard

 

--------------------

Håvard Hjulstad

  (prosjektleder / Project Manager)

  Standard Norge / Standards Norway

  [log in to unmask]

--_000_73E50E886286FC46AB65DBE1954443951A956BA0E1LCXCLMB03LCDS_-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:42:41 +0000 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: "Stewart, Margaret" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_573F23759C5CC04C9F6536FC6BA482D6029DFEv41exmbx01lacbaci_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_573F23759C5CC04C9F6536FC6BA482D6029DFEv41exmbx01lacbaci_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree as well. Margaret From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Guenther, Rebecca Sent: April-18-11 10:54 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name I also agree. We can add this form to the ISO 639-2 code list. Rebecca ________________________________ From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christian Galinski [[log in to unmask]] Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:57 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name Dear Colleagues, Håvard's suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a formal vote. I agree with the modification of the name in French. Best regards Christian From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad Sent: Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Tetum, tet - French name Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee, Below is a request relating to the language Tetum (alpha-3 identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: tet). The main request was for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this case. The main "problem" seemed to be that their software required alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer. But: The request uses the French form "tétoum", while our database has the French form "tetum" only. Having looked at various sources I have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as "tetun"), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in English and French. My proposal is that we don't do anything with the English name, but that the French name is changed FROM "tetum" TO "tétoum; tetum". Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot? Best regards, Håvard -------------------- Håvard Hjulstad (prosjektleder / Project Manager) Standard Norge / Standards Norway [log in to unmask] --_000_573F23759C5CC04C9F6536FC6BA482D6029DFEv41exmbx01lacbaci_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree as well.

 

Margaret

 

From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Guenther, Rebecca
Sent: April-18-11 10:54 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name

 

I also agree. We can add this form to the ISO 639-2 code list.

 

Rebecca


From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christian Galinski [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name

 

Dear Colleagues,

 

Håvard’s suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a formal vote.

I agree with the modification of the name in French.

 

Best regards

Christian

 

 

From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad
Sent: Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Tetum, tet - French name

 

Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee,

 

Below is a request relating to the language Tetum (alpha-3 identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: tet). The main request was for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this case. The main “problem” seemed to be that their software required alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer.

 

But: The request uses the French form “tétoum”, while our database has the French form “tetum” only. Having looked at various sources I have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as “tetun”), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in English and French.

 

My proposal is that we don’t do anything with the English name, but that the French name is changed
FROM “tetum”
TO “tétoum; tetum”.

 

Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot?

 

Best regards,
Håvard

 

--------------------

Håvard Hjulstad

  (prosjektleder / Project Manager)

  Standard Norge / Standards Norway

  [log in to unmask]

--_000_573F23759C5CC04C9F6536FC6BA482D6029DFEv41exmbx01lacbaci_-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:24:19 +0100 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: 639-1 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Should ISO 639-1 be formally stabilized? Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:57:15 +0200 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: Francois Demay <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: 639-1 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundarye6ba5bbb1d56576f04a136ccbd --90e6ba5bbb1d56576f04a136ccbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In a way IT IS stabilized. see below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1 *New ISO 639-1 codes are not added if an ISO 639-2code exists, so systems that use ISO 639-1 and 639-2 codes, with 639-1 codes preferred, do not have to change existing codes.[1] * If an ISO 639-2 code that covers a group of languages is used, it might be overridden for some specific languages by a new ISO 639-1 code. ISO 639-1 codes added after RFC publication in January 2001 ISO 639-1 ISO 639-2 Name Date added Previously covered by io ido Ido 2002-01-15 art wa wln Wallon 2002-01-29 roa li lim Limburgish 2002-08-02 gem ii iii Sichuan Yi 2002-10-14 sit an arg Aragonese 2002-12-23 roa ht hat Haitian Creole 2003-02-26 cpfI am not sure this was the best way to solve the problem... In ISO 3166-1 each country or dependent entity has BOTH an alpha-2 and an alpha-3 code point. In some cases it can be useful to use one and some cases to use the other one. It seems (from the request that originated this discussion) that it may be the same for official (or administrative) languages of indenpendant countries. If in ISO 639 things are frozen until the end of the world then...we'll have to wait for a long time ! Best regards FD 2011/4/18 Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> > Should ISO 639-1 be formally stabilized? > > Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ > --90e6ba5bbb1d56576f04a136ccbd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a way IT IS stabilized.

see below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1

New ISO 639-1 codes are not added if an ISO 639-2 code exists, so systems that use ISO 639-1 and 639-2 codes, with 639-1 codes preferred, do not have to change existing codes.[1]

If an ISO 639-2 code that covers a group of languages is used, it might be overridden for some specific languages by a new ISO 639-1 code.

ISO 639-1 codes added after RFC publication in January 2001
ISO 639-1 ISO 639-2 Name Date added Previously covered by
io ido Ido 2002-01-15 art
wa wln Wallon 2002-01-29 roa
li lim Limburgish 2002-08-02 gem
ii iii Sichuan Yi 2002-10-14 sit
an arg Aragonese 2002-12-23 roa
ht hat Haitian Creole 2003-02-26 cpf
I am not sure this was the best way to solve the problem...

In ISO 3166-1 each country or dependent entity has BOTH an alpha-2 and an alpha-3 code point.
In some cases it can be useful to use one and some cases to use the other one.

It seems (from the request that originated this discussion) that it may be the same for official (or administrative) languages of indenpendant countries.

If in ISO 639 things are frozen until the end of the world then...we'll have to wait for a long time !

Best regards

FD


2011/4/18 Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]>
Should ISO 639-1 be formally stabilized?

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

--90e6ba5bbb1d56576f04a136ccbd-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:42:02 +0200 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: Christian Galinski <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: 639-1 In-Reply-To: [log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CBFE19.D6C0ACE0" This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CBFE19.D6C0ACE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues, I agree with François: ISO 639-1 - should not be increased without very stringent reasons, - may have to be modified, if necessary by a modification of a corresponding 3-letter symbol, - very unlikely, but may have to be modified for other reasons, and in that sense it is stabilized. Given the above-mentioned reasons, I have always been strictly against a once and for all total “freeze” of ISO 639-1. Best regards Christian From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Francois Demay Sent: Montag, 18. April 2011 21:57 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 639-1 In a way IT IS stabilized. see below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1 New ISO 639-1 codes are not added if an ISO 639-2 code exists, so systems that use ISO 639-1 and 639-2 codes, with 639-1 codes preferred, do not have to change existing codes.[1] If an ISO 639-2 code that covers a group of languages is used, it might be overridden for some specific languages by a new ISO 639-1 code. ISO 639-1 codes added after RFC publication in January 2001 ISO 639-1 ISO 639-2 Name Date added Previously covered by io ido Ido 2002-01-15 art wa wln Wallon 2002-01-29 roa li lim Limburgish 2002-08-02 gem ii iii Sichuan Yi 2002-10-14 sit an arg Aragonese 2002-12-23 roa ht hat Haitian Creole 2003-02-26 cpf I am not sure this was the best way to solve the problem... In ISO 3166-1 each country or dependent entity has BOTH an alpha-2 and an alpha-3 code point. In some cases it can be useful to use one and some cases to use the other one. It seems (from the request that originated this discussion) that it may be the same for official (or administrative) languages of indenpendant countries. If in ISO 639 things are frozen until the end of the world then...we'll have to wait for a long time ! Best regards FD 2011/4/18 Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> Should ISO 639-1 be formally stabilized? Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CBFE19.D6C0ACE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Colleagues,

 

I agree with François: ISO 639-1

- should not be increased without very stringent reasons,

- may have to be modified, if necessary by a modification of a corresponding 3-letter symbol,

- very unlikely, but may have to be modified for other reasons,

and in that sense it is stabilized.

 

Given the above-mentioned reasons, I have always been strictly against a once and for all total “freeze” of ISO 639-1.

 

Best regards

Christian

 

 

From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Francois Demay
Sent: Montag, 18. April 2011 21:57
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: 639-1

 

In a way IT IS stabilized.

see below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-1

New ISO 639-1 codes are not added if an ISO 639-2 code exists, so systems that use ISO 639-1 and 639-2 codes, with 639-1 codes preferred, do not have to change existing codes.[1]

If an ISO 639-2 code that covers a group of languages is used, it might be overridden for some specific languages by a new ISO 639-1 code.

ISO 639-1 codes added after RFC publication in January 2001

ISO 639-1

ISO 639-2

Name

Date added

Previously covered by

io

ido

Ido

2002-01-15

art

wa

wln

Wallon

2002-01-29

roa

li

lim

Limburgish

2002-08-02

gem

ii

iii

Sichuan Yi

2002-10-14

sit

an

arg

Aragonese

2002-12-23

roa

ht

hat

Haitian Creole

2003-02-26

cpf

I am not sure this was the best way to solve the problem...

In ISO 3166-1 each country or dependent entity has BOTH an alpha-2 and an alpha-3 code point.
In some cases it can be useful to use one and some cases to use the other one.

It seems (from the request that originated this discussion) that it may be the same for official (or administrative) languages of indenpendant countries.

If in ISO 639 things are frozen until the end of the world then...we'll have to wait for a long time !

Best regards

FD

2011/4/18 Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]>

Should ISO 639-1 be formally stabilized?

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

 

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CBFE19.D6C0ACE0-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:44:38 +0100 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: 639-1 In-Reply-To: [log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 18 Apr 2011, at 20:57, Francois Demay wrote: > In a way IT IS stabilized. I mean formal ISO stabilization. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ ========================================================================Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:08:07 +0100 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: 639-1 In-Reply-To: <001801cbfe09$1337dce0$39a796a0$@[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18 Apr 2011, at 21:42, Christian Galinski wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I agree with François: ISO 639-1 > - should not be increased without very stringent reasons, I understood that there was no rationale for any addition at all. > - may have to be modified, if necessary by a modification of a corresponding 3-letter symbol, Can you suggest an example of such a modification? > - very unlikely, but may have to be modified for other reasons, Can you suggest an example of such a modification? > and in that sense it is stabilized. That is not ISO formal stabilization (which we have for instance for ISO/IEC 8859-1) Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ ========================================================================Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:27:57 +0300 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: Eeva Murtomaa <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Me too Eeva Stewart, Margaret wrote: > > I agree as well. > > Margaret > > *From:* ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Guenther, Rebecca > *Sent:* April-18-11 10:54 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name > > I also agree. We can add this form to the ISO 639-2 code list. > > Rebecca > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Christian Galinski [[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:57 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Subject: Tetum, tet - French name > > Dear Colleagues, > > Håvard’s suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a > formal vote. > > I agree with the modification of the name in French. > > Best regards > > Christian > > *From:* ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee > [mailto:[log in to unmask] ] *On > Behalf Of *Håvard Hjulstad > *Sent:* Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Tetum, tet - French name > > Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee, > > Below is a request relating to the language *Tetum* (alpha-3 > identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: *tet*). The main request was > for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that > it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this > case. The main “problem” seemed to be that their software required > alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different > issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer. > > *_But_*: The request uses the French form “tétoum”, while our database > has the French form “tetum” only. Having looked at various sources I > have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also > found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with > -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as > “tetun”), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in > English and French. > > *_My proposal_* is that we don’t do anything with the English name, > but that the French name is changed > FROM “tetum” > TO “tétoum; tetum”. > > /Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot?/ > > Best regards, > Håvard > > /--------------------/ > > /Håvard Hjulstad/ > > / (prosjektleder / Project Manager)/ > > / Standard Norge / Standards Norway/ > > [log in to unmask] > ========================================================================Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:01:50 +0300 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: Eeva Murtomaa <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Subject: Tetum, tet - French name In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Agree, Best wishes, Eeva Guenther, Rebecca wrote: > I also agree. We can add this form to the ISO 639-2 code list. > > Rebecca > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [[log in to unmask]] On > Behalf Of Christian Galinski [[log in to unmask]] > *Sent:* Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:57 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Subject: Tetum, tet - French name > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > Håvard’s suggestions are reasonable and I think we do not need a > formal vote. > > I agree with the modification of the name in French. > > > > Best regards > > Christian > > > > > > *From:* ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee > [mailto:[log in to unmask] ] *On > Behalf Of *Håvard Hjulstad > *Sent:* Donnerstag, 14. April 2011 09:05 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Tetum, tet - French name > > > > Dear members of ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee, > > > > Below is a request relating to the language *Tetum* (alpha-3 > identifier in ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3: *tet*). The main request was > for an alpha-2 identifier. We have already informed the submitter that > it would be against our policy to assign an alpha-2 identifier in this > case. The main “problem” seemed to be that their software required > alpha-2 identifiers for languages, which is an entirely different > issue that we recommended her to discuss with their software manufacturer. > > > > *_But_*: The request uses the French form “tétoum”, while our database > has the French form “tetum” only. Having looked at various sources I > have found three French forms: tétoum, tetum, and tetun. I have also > found English forms Tetum and Tetun. While the name forms ending with > -n seem to be closer to the indigenous name of the language (given as > “tetun”), forms ending with -m are probably more common both in > English and French. > > > > *_My proposal_* is that we don’t do anything with the English name, > but that the French name is changed > FROM “tetum” > TO “tétoum; tetum”. > > > > /Any comments or objections? Does anyone want a formal ballot?/ > > > > Best regards, > Håvard > > > > /--------------------/ > > /Håvard Hjulstad/ > > / (prosjektleder / Project Manager)/ > > / Standard Norge / Standards Norway/ > > [log in to unmask] > ========================================================================Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:34:05 +0000 Reply-To: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> Sender: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]> From: Peter Constable <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: 639-1 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 SSB3b3VsZCBoYXZlIG5vIG9iamVjdGlvbiB0byB0aGF0IHByb3Bvc2FsLg0KDQpQZXRlcg0KDQot LS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogSVNPIDYzOSBKb2ludCBBZHZpc29yeSBD b21taXR0ZWUgW21haWx0bzpJU09KQUNATElTVFNFUlYuTE9DLkdPVl0gT24gQmVoYWxmIE9mIE1p Y2hhZWwgRXZlcnNvbg0KU2VudDogTW9uZGF5LCBBcHJpbCAxOCwgMjAxMSAxOjQ1IFBNDQpUbzog 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