Dear Melinda

Is it possible to know who is asking for assigning a code point to Montenegrin ?

I would like to make once again the point that the 4 languages "derived" from Serbo-Croatian  (Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian collectively known as BCMS) are going (in a not too far future) to be official languages of countries candidates to be members of the European Union*...!!!
Three of them will have an alpha-2 ISO 639 code-point, and one no code point at all !!!

Best regards

François Demay

* Croatia is the first.
An obstacle for Serbia has been lifted
Montenegro may even come before Bosnia-Herzegovina !!!

See :

In cases where speakers would feel that their words would be unclear, they would use a term which is considered to be better understood. However, one should be aware that natives of the respective countries sometimes have strong feelings about “their” language or dialect. For example, a Croat may be quick to correct someone if that person were to use inadvertently a word or phrase that is considered “un-Croatian” (i.e. something that is more frequently used by people living in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro or Serbia.) even though this word or phrase in question is understood by anyone in Croatia and part of standard Croatian per descriptive dictionaries. For learners accustomed to or fluent in pluricentric languages such as English, German, Portuguese or Spanish, they may find it socially beneficial to be aware of characteristics, words or structures prescribed or occurring most frequently in the respective standard languages. An analogy of this kind of care from learners of English would be for them to note that using “to dispatch” in the USA rather than “to ship” may cause Americans to insist on using the latter even though the former is understandable but being perceived as something “un-American”. In a more general sense, learning BCMS is a useful introduction to future learning of Slavonic languages as it still shares many of the features in other Slavonic languages. Regardless of which “letter” of BCMS learners focus on or choose, they should not be surprised to hear from native speakers on being praised for using “Bosnian”, “Montenegrin” or “Serbian” perfectly even if the learner has focused on “Croatian”, for example.


and try to project this page 3 or 5 years in the future
What language(s) for BCMS ???


2011/7/11 ISO639-3 <[log in to unmask]>
Dear Members of the JAC,

I have had another request to assign a code to Montenegrin. I have looked through the various files of the ISO639-3 account, and the last thing I have are some messages marked "Montenegrin--second ballot soon". I cannot find the final result. Could someone let me know what the result of the second ballot was (I assume it happened in July or August of 2010, after Joan was no longer actively doing ISO 639-3).

Thank you very much for your help. I will need to answer the new request.


Melinda Lyons
ISO 639-3 RA
SIL International
7500 W. Camp Wisdom Rd.
Dallas, TX 75236

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:04:13 +0200
 Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>On 8 Jun 2010, at 08:13, Håvard Hjulstad wrote:
>> I expect that all relevant information relating to the issue of encoding Montenegrin in ISO 639 has by now been presented. A second ballot will be circulated tomorrow morning. Any remaining input should be submitted by the end of this day.
>My input: Sufficient evidence has not been adduced to indicate that "Montenegrin" is other than a synonym for Serbian. "Unreliable" discussion in the English Wikipedia article suggests the same, and moreover indicates that the taxonomy is controversial in Montenegro itself.
>Had I a vote, I would vote not to add a separate code for Montenegrin at this time.
>Michael Everson *