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On 9/19/2011 6:09 PM, George Brock-Nannestad wrote:
> From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad
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> Hello,
>
> I can't believe I am even contributing to this long thread about a s......
> bit of plastic. However, I have my bit of experience as well.
>
> For 3" reels, which were used for 8mm film (single-8 to those who are an in-
> between age) as well as for quarter-inch magnetic tape, they used to deliver
> rubber bands with a tab to hold the pancake. Worked fine, and I have yet to
> see one that has deteriorated. They must have been made of synthetic rubber.

Maybe they used better bands in Europe than here in the U.S., because a 
lot of the bands on our old home movies have dried up.  Those tabs were 
nifty -- I sure wish someone sold them that way.  Kodak probably had a 
rubber band department up in Rochester.  Microfilm is usually packed 
with a paper strip with a string for wrapping around a fibre button.  
That might be a good idea for videotape and wider gauge audio tape

> Any tape that has a latex (natural rubber) component to the sticky stuff will
> harden. Gaffa (gaffer's) tape is only a glorified Duck (duct) tape with a
> close-weave fabric that tears easily, but both are latex-gummy.One quality
> of a tape is tackiness, another is adhesion.

Actually gaffers tape is also supposed to differ from duct tape in 
removability.  Duct tape leaves a lot of white gunk that really mucks up 
your mic cables and mic stands.  Good gaffers tape doesn't.  Which 
reminds me, NEVER tape your mic onto somebody else's-- and vice-versa.  
I always use a rubber band for full size mics or loop a knot in the 
cable over the other mic when I use a tie-tac mic.

>   Editing tape needs very low
> tackiness and high adhesion. Hold-down tape is only really good if you fold
> the end to create a tab.


I have used splicing tape to hold it onto a reel flange but that stuff 
is supposed to be permanent so it doesn't always peel off. Put it across 
the recording tape and fold a pull tab on the splicing tape.
>
> Have we milked this subject dry now?

No, because nobody has yet discussed using Elmer's Glue-All.

Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]

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> Kind regards,
>
>
> George
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>> I have another solution that comes from the film world. They have hold
>> down tape that is very strong and doesn't leave any goo, but is easy to
>> work with. Feels like it's fine fabric. Too late now but I'll try to
>> Google it tomorrow.
>> Shai
>>
>> On 19/09/2011 02:32, Matt Sohn wrote:
>>>> Please do not use these. I have seen edge damage on incoming tapes
>>>> when these are forced over an uneven wind.
>>>>
>>>> Tape the end of the tape to the outside flange of the reel (or to
>>>> itself in a pancake. If you can still find Zebra Tape, that is the
>>>> best choice--someone dug up a five-to-ten year supply for me but it's
>>>> all gone from that source.
>>>>
>>>> The red and blue crepe-y tape isn't bad.
>>>>
>>>> Scotch 811 removable "Magic" tape works reasonably well for something
>>>> that is easy to get at a stationary store.
>>>>
>>> After the zebra tape ran out I switched to the green Scotch stuff that
>>> they seem to have discontinued as well. It didn't stick so well, and I
>>> have gone back and found in many cases it has detached from the flange
>>> while sitting in the box.
>>> I found some "zebra" tape online several years ago and ordered a few
>>> rolls. It was not the same thing. very stiff and the adhesive layer
>>> tended to seperate from the backing layer. Dissapointing. Then I found
>>> some stuff from a film supply company that was sort of cloth-like,
>>> like the tape you use to tape up a hockey stick. It was very sticky.
>>> Too sticky..
>>> ATR Magnetics has recently introduced their own hold-down tape. I just
>>> ordered 3 rolls. $12.98/215 Ft.
>>> They also have white cardboard boxes for 5", 7"&  10.5" reels.
>>> http://usrecordingmedia.com/noname2.html
>>>
>>> -Matt Sohn
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