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On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Alex McGehee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> .... Although Williams was clever, he used some of the less widely-known
> works. Where would Williams be today without poor Pyotr Ilyich?
>

On a related note --

I saw Dragonslayer just after it opened in Boston, and with a
Mahler-knowledgeable buddy who confirms this story. The music track was a
total rip from the Mahler Sixth! Bleeding chunks, one might even say... and
they suited the movie just fine. Afterwards when I read how much Harry
Pearson, the persnickety editor of The Absolute Sound, admired that
soundtrack I marveled that he failed to recognize it. The only conceivable
explanation was that he was less versed in classical music than he let on.

Years later I watched the laserdisc... and the music was totally different,
and not as good either. So I was left with the singular conclusion that the
M6 had to have been the working track and that it slipped somehow into a
distribution print. Maybe just for Boston!

And then, the highly entertaining movie Educating Rita has a terrific scene
where Rita is checking out roommate ads. The occupant opens the door and
you can hear some music wafting out, and this over-the-top woman exclaims,
"That's Mahler. One simply *cannot* live without Mahler!" As we move into
the room we hear that it's the Sixth, very loud and holding at one of those
exceedingly grim passages towards the end. Rita flees.

c

>
> Alex McGehee
>
> On Dec 17, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
>
> > Actually, I was just talking about this with a coworker yesterday. She
> is 24 years old, born long after the original Star Wars trilogy, Close
> Encounters, Jaws, etc. The context was the Wall Street Journal article
> about John Williams and the changing world of film music:
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203893404577098730827733806.html
> >
> > I mentioned that not all Williams scores are stereotypical Hollywood
> bombast, for instance Close Encounters. She had never heard of that movie
> nor seen it. That one I do remember seeing in the theater, as a young kid.
> Didn't really understand it then but subsequently bought it on VHS and then
> DVD and it's one of my favorites. I was too young to be allowed to see Jaws
> when it came out but I love that movie. Meanwhile, my colleague knows of
> Jaws only for the iconic "duh-dump" sound. Our boss, who was chuckling at
> the whole conversation, is 65 years old and actually remembers Hedy Lamarr
> being current in the news when he was young. I'm sure he's seen all the Mel
> Brooks movies too!
> >
> > Time passes, entertainment evolves, cultural references change. If you
> asked me about something having to do with a video game, I'd be as clueless
> as about old movies (perhaps more so because I've never played a video game
> but have seen a few old movies, although they are not my taste).
> >
> > -- Tom Fine
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark Johnsen" <
> [log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
> >
> >
> >> Heck, there are probably people born after Star Wars and Close
> Encounters
> >> came out (1977).
> >>
> >> c
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Robert Cham <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So, you must not remember Brook's "Silent Movie".  The only audible
> line
> >>> in the movie was spoken by Marcel Marceau.  We took our infant son
> with us
> >>> when it first came out.  He thought that all the people were laughing
> for
> >>> his benefit and chortled right along.
> >>>
> >>> So Tom, you out of diapers yet?
> >>>
> >>> Bob Cham
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, that's old. 1974 = 37 years ago. That's like talking about silent
> >>>> movies in the mid-1960's. No offense to you geezers ... ;) (running
> and
> >>>> ducking).
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Tom Fine
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Houck" <
> [log in to unmask]>
> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:04 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not an old movie, it was just released a few years ago...1974.
> >>>>> Just when I was thinking I wasn't such an old guy....DANG.
> >>>>> Now where did I leave that crank for my Victrola?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lou Houck
> >>>>> Rollin' Recording
> >>>>> Boerne, TX
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fine
> >>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:49 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Woops. I've only seen that once. Before my time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- Tom Fine
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Phillips" <
> >>>>> [log in to unmask]>
> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:44 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The comic reference was to the movie 'Blazing Saddles'....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Scott Phillips
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Fine <
> [log in to unmask]>
> >>>>>> **wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Huh? Not sure I get the joke, or was it a joke? See articles and
> patent
> >>>>>>> linked.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hedy in the article plus numerous websites, patent is under Hedy
> >>>>>>> Kiesler
> >>>>>>> Markey.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> By the way, the once-controversial film "Ekstase" is available at
> >>>>>>> Archive.org:
> >>>>>>> http://www.archive.org/****details/Ekstase1933<
> http://www.archive.org/**details/Ekstase1933>
> >>>>>>> <http://**www.archive.org/details/**Ekstase1933<
> http://www.archive.org/details/Ekstase1933>
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is some sourced material on Lamarr and spread-spectrum
> >>>>>>> technology in
> >>>>>>> the Whacky-Packia entry for her:
> >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Hedy_Lamarr<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Hedy_Lamarr>
> >>>>>>> <http://en.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr>
> >>>>>>> **>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Tom Fine
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Durenberger" <
> >>>>>>> [log in to unmask]>
> >>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:56 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's HEDLEY!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mark Durenberger
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------****--------------------
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Scott Phillips
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >>>>> Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4084 - Release Date:
> 12/16/11
> >>>>> 07:34:00
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Bob Cham
> >>> K-TRUE
> >>> 90.1 HD 2 & ktru.org
> >>> Houston
> >>>
>