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--- On Wed, 7/12/11, Martin Fisher <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Martin Fisher <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Old Time Radio--Fwd: Old-time radio convention meets in Newark for last time - NorthJersey.com
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, 7 December, 2011, 16:06
> Another OTR source, which I had a
> membership to until the bank changed my account
> @$%^&*(), is "R U Sitting Comfortably".  Ned Norris
> has posted thousands of categorized shows and features which
> are available for downloading at a membership rate of $7.50
> per month.  Slightly better deals for quarterly and
> annual memberships.  Sound quality varies if I remember
> correctly.  
> 
> http://www.rusc.com/
> 
> I also  used to take advantage of the lending library
> offered by First Generation Radio Archives back when they
> had one.  One could order shows on audio CD on a
> lending basis, much like Net Flicks by mail, and even view
> the labels and runouts of most of the transcriptions! 
> Even then the sound quality varied but mostly because of the
> various people doing their "restorations".  Some of the
> programs were chock full of digital NR anomalies and what I
> sometimes call micro black holes.  Sounded a lot like
> heavy handed use of "blanking" which was offered on the
> Packburn units.  FGRA is still possibly the best
> organization out there for fidelity vs. dollar but their
> vast library is nowhere as accessible as it used to be since
> now they only offer box sets for outright purchase.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Tom Fine
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:58 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: Old-time radio convention
> meets in Newark for last time - NorthJersey.com
> 
> I think the point you are making is that Radio Yesteryear
> and then Radio Spirits charge too much for sometimes poor
> audio quality and overly-large box sets. But what about
> outlets like OTRCat, which offer dirt-cheap,
> terrible-sounding CDR full of programs? I would say both are
> equally bad. OTR is SO prime for an iTunes model -- it's a
> niche market that's pretty commoditized (and, come on, how
> much did any of the people releasing OTR programs pay per
> program source?). So why not sell individual programs as
> decent-quality downloads (192kbps MP3 is just fine for
> almost all OTR content), for say a quarter (25 cents) per
> hour? My bet is, it's a very "long tail" model and there
> would be enough sales volume to make it viable if not wildly
> profitable (is Radio Spritis wildly profitable? I doubt it.
> What about OTRCat? It seems like it costs him as much to
> produce and mail a CDR as he's charging, if his time is
> worth anything). A friendly, accessible, super-easy-to-order
> and instant-download/instant-gratification website is what's
> needed to attract new listeners. No kid in his 20's is going
> to wait for a Radio Spirits catalog, order a 50-CD set for
> $100 when he only wants 1 or 2 programs, and then wait days
> for it to arrive, then rip it to his iPod. Talk about
> totally outmoded and last century! And then look at the CDR
> sellers' website, who can navigate those? Someone needs to
> team up with Amazon or iTunes, make the descriptions and
> listening samples standardized and easy like music is on
> those websites, and sell the content cheap enough that
> people will take a chance on something older than their
> grandparents.
> 
> And here's another issue. For someone of my generation, and
> certainly for younger people, OTR is very remote like old
> black and white movies. Sure, some acting and some
> story-telling is so good and so compelling that it still
> resonates today, but most of it comes off as stilted,
> antique and irrelevant, because the culture has moved on.
> And yet, the OTR sellers concentrate most of their marketing
> on ancient radio dramas or radio re-enactments of movies
> that even Grandpa would admit were stilted and boring. What
> about old news events? Old ground-breaking news shows like
> came out of "Murrow's Boys" consistently in the 40's and
> 50's? Yes, Norman Corwin celebratory victory-casts get more
> than fair marketing, but I know of only one seller who's
> collected most of the ground-breaking "Hear It Now" weekly
> news magazine shows, and I've asked numerous times on this
> list (which includes some heavy-duty OTR collectors and
> accumulators) about various CBS news specials and year-end
> summaries, and no one seems to own a copy or know where one
> can buy one. I think there may be longer-term interest in
> actual real-world history than "The Shadow" or "Fibber McGee
> and Molly," or a Bing Crosby show, but maybe that's just
> me.
> 
> I'm sure this will get some dander up in the OTR world! ;)
> 
> -- Tom Fine
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Lewis" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Fwd: Old-time radio convention
> meets in Newark for last time - NorthJersey.com
> 
> 
> > In response to DDR's set up, which I know was intended
> tended at least 
> > half-humorously, I did wish to say something. The
> decline of interest 
> > in OTR -- and Dr. B may dismiss these proposed reasons
> and offer 
> > others, as is his wont, and right -- derives from
> numerous factors 
> > that worked against
> > it: the concentration of the legacy into too few hands
> with 
> > botiuqey/gifty business models, the drying up of
> conventional radio 
> > outlets still delivering the goods, the aging/dying
> off of the 
> > original audience that remembered it from when there
> was no TV, the 
> > enthusiasts' interest in too few of the genres
> represented by OTR, 
> > etc. It came to a point where the OTR universe was
> contracting, rather 
> > than expanding, and once that plateau is reached it
> becomes like a 
> > white dwarf, a tiny former star with all of the
> material packed inside it, growing ever denser and dimmer.
> >
> > By virtue of its mandate, ARSC is busier and more
> badly needed than 
> > ever before. The manifold DRM issues, the recent and
> unprecedented 
> > truly serious and scholarly investigation into
> pre-1917 recordings 
> > outside of opera, the controversy of what constitutes
> jazz and what 
> > that has stirred up, activating interest in a whole
> range of little 
> > appreciated dance band recordings, the rapidly
> decaying formats of 
> > recent times and the neglect from scholars of
> relatively recent eras. The failure of "new musicology"
> > and the lassitude of musicologists more concerned with
> accruing tenure 
> > -- which is getting away from them anyway -- than with
> developing a 
> > true understanding of developments in music of recent
> eras. And so 
> > forth, and so forth .... Jeez.
> >
> > We can't cure all of these issues, but they all
> prevent some kind of 
> > challenge, and we find ourselves of finding ourselves
> having somewhat 
> > whiter hats than the white hats who ought to have the
> job of 
> > evaluating or taking care of these things. And I admit
> I expanded our 
> > definition beyond what we do, but all of this affects
> us in some way. 
> > The universe is clearly expanding, not contracting,
> for ARSC. It is 
> > all our little organization can do to keep up with new
> developments, 
> > and much of the relevant news I hear either comes
> through this list or 
> > its members. I'm not happy to see the OTR people
> disband, and another 
> > thing we might have to consider is how to deal with
> OTR related issues 
> > now that there is no more OTR organization to
> centralize thinking 
> > about it, access and to respond to what level of
> enthusiasm there is about it. It never ends.
> >
> > Uncle Dave Lewis
> > Lebanon, OH
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> >
> >> All who fear ARSC as we know it self-extinguishing
> must read this.
> >>
> >> DDR
> >>
> >>
> > 
>