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When I was working at 20th Century Fox on the "Paper Chase" series, I had just begun using a newly developed off line system supplied by the Consolidated Film Industries video department, and on one of the episodes I used a temp track for the opening sequence.  It was easier to do than with 35mm where I would have had to go into a screening room that had multiple sound dummies to run a separate temp track, but now I was using 3/4" off line decks which had two audio channels plus a timecode channel.  The producers loved the cut, so the series composer had to re-record it on the scoring stage.  Later, he appeared in the doorway of my cutting room, and soundly (no pun untended) chewed me out and told me not to do it again.  Fortunately for him, I didn't have any further inspirations and the producers continued to like my work, and of course, I didn't mention the encounter to them. He must have been new to this use by editors, since it was done on
 occasion as editor's help in "selling a cut" to the producers and directors.

--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Randy Riddle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Randy Riddle <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 2:49 PM

Clark --

What you might have heard was a temporary music track.  During the
editing process, the editor and director might use "needle drops" on
the workprint to establish the rhythm and flow of scenes before the
scoring takes place.

If I'm not mistaken, the preview print of "Gone With the Wind" - the
one that Selznick trimmed before the actual premiere - used
pre-existing music cues, for example.

Randy

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Clark Johnsen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Alex McGehee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> .... Although Williams was clever, he used some of the less widely-known
>> works. Where would Williams be today without poor Pyotr Ilyich?
>>
>
> On a related note --
>
> I saw Dragonslayer just after it opened in Boston, and with a
> Mahler-knowledgeable buddy who confirms this story. The music track was a
> total rip from the Mahler Sixth! Bleeding chunks, one might even say... and
> they suited the movie just fine. Afterwards when I read how much Harry
> Pearson, the persnickety editor of The Absolute Sound, admired that
> soundtrack I marveled that he failed to recognize it. The only conceivable
> explanation was that he was less versed in classical music than he let on.
>
> Years later I watched the laserdisc... and the music was totally different,
> and not as good either. So I was left with the singular conclusion that the
> M6 had to have been the working track and that it slipped somehow into a
> distribution print. Maybe just for Boston!
>
> And then, the highly entertaining movie Educating Rita has a terrific scene
> where Rita is checking out roommate ads. The occupant opens the door and
> you can hear some music wafting out, and this over-the-top woman exclaims,
> "That's Mahler. One simply *cannot* live without Mahler!" As we move into
> the room we hear that it's the Sixth, very loud and holding at one of those
> exceedingly grim passages towards the end. Rita flees.
>
> c
>
>>
>> Alex McGehee
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>
>> > Actually, I was just talking about this with a coworker yesterday. She
>> is 24 years old, born long after the original Star Wars trilogy, Close
>> Encounters, Jaws, etc. The context was the Wall Street Journal article
>> about John Williams and the changing world of film music:
>> >
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203893404577098730827733806.html
>> >
>> > I mentioned that not all Williams scores are stereotypical Hollywood
>> bombast, for instance Close Encounters. She had never heard of that movie
>> nor seen it. That one I do remember seeing in the theater, as a young kid.
>> Didn't really understand it then but subsequently bought it on VHS and then
>> DVD and it's one of my favorites. I was too young to be allowed to see Jaws
>> when it came out but I love that movie. Meanwhile, my colleague knows of
>> Jaws only for the iconic "duh-dump" sound. Our boss, who was chuckling at
>> the whole conversation, is 65 years old and actually remembers Hedy Lamarr
>> being current in the news when he was young. I'm sure he's seen all the Mel
>> Brooks movies too!
>> >
>> > Time passes, entertainment evolves, cultural references change. If you
>> asked me about something having to do with a video game, I'd be as clueless
>> as about old movies (perhaps more so because I've never played a video game
>> but have seen a few old movies, although they are not my taste).
>> >
>> > -- Tom Fine
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark Johnsen" <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:24 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Heck, there are probably people born after Star Wars and Close
>> Encounters
>> >> came out (1977).
>> >>
>> >> c
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Robert Cham <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> So, you must not remember Brook's "Silent Movie".  The only audible
>> line
>> >>> in the movie was spoken by Marcel Marceau.  We took our infant son
>> with us
>> >>> when it first came out.  He thought that all the people were laughing
>> for
>> >>> his benefit and chortled right along.
>> >>>
>> >>> So Tom, you out of diapers yet?
>> >>>
>> >>> Bob Cham
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yeah, that's old. 1974 = 37 years ago. That's like talking about silent
>> >>>> movies in the mid-1960's. No offense to you geezers ... ;) (running
>> and
>> >>>> ducking).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -- Tom Fine
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Houck" <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:04 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It's not an old movie, it was just released a few years ago...1974.
>> >>>>> Just when I was thinking I wasn't such an old guy....DANG.
>> >>>>> Now where did I leave that crank for my Victrola?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lou Houck
>> >>>>> Rollin' Recording
>> >>>>> Boerne, TX
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fine
>> >>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:49 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Woops. I've only seen that once. Before my time.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -- Tom Fine
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Phillips" <
>> >>>>> [log in to unmask]>
>> >>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:44 PM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The comic reference was to the movie 'Blazing Saddles'....
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Scott Phillips
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Fine <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> >>>>>> **wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Huh? Not sure I get the joke, or was it a joke? See articles and
>> patent
>> >>>>>>> linked.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hedy in the article plus numerous websites, patent is under Hedy
>> >>>>>>> Kiesler
>> >>>>>>> Markey.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> By the way, the once-controversial film "Ekstase" is available at
>> >>>>>>> Archive.org:
>> >>>>>>> http://www.archive.org/****details/Ekstase1933<
>> http://www.archive.org/**details/Ekstase1933>
>> >>>>>>> <http://**www.archive.org/details/**Ekstase1933<
>> http://www.archive.org/details/Ekstase1933>
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> There is some sourced material on Lamarr and spread-spectrum
>> >>>>>>> technology in
>> >>>>>>> the Whacky-Packia entry for her:
>> >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Hedy_Lamarr<
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Hedy_Lamarr>
>> >>>>>>> <http://en.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr<
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr>
>> >>>>>>> **>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -- Tom Fine
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Durenberger" <
>> >>>>>>> [log in to unmask]>
>> >>>>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:56 PM
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> That's HEDLEY!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Mark Durenberger
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------****--------------------
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Hedy Lamarr, a mother of WiFi!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Best Regards,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Scott Phillips
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> >>>>> Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4084 - Release Date:
>> 12/16/11
>> >>>>> 07:34:00
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Bob Cham
>> >>> K-TRUE
>> >>> 90.1 HD 2 & ktru.org
>> >>> Houston
>> >>>
>>