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Are you the David Weiner that used to be an executive with Polygram Classics & Jazz? Your search for sound & video ends here! Jay Sonin, General Manager Music Hunter Distributing Company 4880 North Citation Drive, Suite # 101 Delray Beach, Florida 33445-6552 [log in to unmask] 561-450-7152 -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Weiner Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 1:22 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Jazz's First Record Turns 95 I thought it has been well and firmly determined that the ODJB did NOT do a Columbia session in January 1917 and the first time they stepped into a Columbia studio was in May. Dave Weiner On 2/22/12 1:04 PM, "Art Shifrin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >My edition of Brian Rust's 1897-1942 contains 1,753 pages of cylinders >(one >that I found quickly is by Wilbur Sweatman's Band on page 1515, recorded >in >Minneapolis circa 1903 - 1904) and disks of various 'speeds'. I don't >know >all of which and how many of those listings precede the Victors by the >ODJB. > >But a glaring irony are the FIRST two recordings made by the ODJB for >COLUMBIA on January 30, 1917. According to Rust (presumably based on >Columbia recording ledgers) it was issued in the USA on 10" #A2297 & in >England on #2903. They are Darktown Strutters Ball (master 77086-3-4) and >Indiana (master 77087-2-3) I recall reading X years ago that the two >sides >were not issued until shortly after the high sales of their Victor 18255 >became known by Columbia officials. > >As already cited, the issue of being first is debatable. In this case at >least two criteria are contradictory: when recorded versus when issued. >The Jazzwax blog refers to the Victor SESSION >of 02-26-17. It was self-evidently not the ODJB's first. The blog is >very >interesting and entertaining, but its lack of reference to the Columbia >session is very questionable. > >Additionally, there are the criteria of what comprises jazz. I don't know >a way of searching Rust's >listings for ALL listed recordings made prior to February 26, 1917. The >posting citing Sweatman's work easily at least, leads to a few. But what >others are there (in this edition or other compilations)? >Which 'experts' regard which as JASS aka JAZZ? > >A respondent to the Jazzwax blog cites ( >http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/recordings/detail/id/928/ ) >Vess L. Osman's "St. Louis Tickle" as being the first (Victor 3037-2 >single sided 10" disk # 4624 & later issued on two sided 16092 Rust page >1199). My opinion is that it's NOT jazz >but ragtime. I'm interested in other opinions, including those who are >musicologists. Note that the data in the link states that some of the >issues of 16092 were NOT by Ossman, but recorded later. > >By Rust's criteria, Ossman previously recorded Jazz. (pages 1197 - >1201....commencing with Berliner 7" #467 Ragtime Medley recorded in NYC on >October 9, 1897). If a composition containing "Rag" or "Ragtime" ARE jazz >recordings, then might that mean that the terms were at any time synonyms >for Jas or Jazz? Or, do the two terms in a title preclude the >performance >from being Jazz? > >Finally, several times I tried the link >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204740904577195080015884786. >h=tml?KEYWORDS=3Dgarment+district+is+where+jazz. >It did not access WSJ article. > >Art Shifrin