The Studebaker was a 1962 Lark (family hand-me-down)...the station was 
KUHF---15KW erp mono, licensed to the University of Houston, the year was 
1970 / '71, so stereo records were not an issue...though at the time, all of 
the equipment was past its prime jetsam mono from the commercial broadcast 
stations. I believe the recorder was a Magnecord 1021 F/T, 3 3/4 - 7 1/2 
ips.  Turntables (Gates) all bridged mono, cart decks all mono.  The Muntz 4 
Track carts came from a fire sale / closeout store in downtown Houston. 
Four for a dollar...loaded with some ribald night club comic, or second tier 
vocalists tapes.  The 4 Track cart deck in the Stude was branded 
Sears...hung under the dash.  Manual lever action to engage the pinch roller 
and switch tracks.  Bought it for $5.00 at a moonlight madness sale at the 
Sears auto center, where I pumped gas, checked oil, and inflated tires  "28 
pounds all around, Sir?,  and you're about a half quart low."   At home, 
stereo Roberts X Field (Akai) recorder with a Rheem Logo on the sticker on 
the back.  Imagine how proud I was to own a stereo recorder made by a firm 
who's parent company also made hot water heaters!  The turntable was a BSR 
(Shure M-44 Cartridge), Sterling Electronics Receiver, and Sterling 
Electronics 3 way speaker cabinets with 15" bass foam, 
corrugated surround...and I still use them!  YES!  Gad, I haven't thought of 
this stuff in years! Thanks for asking.

Lou Houck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tom Fine
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Unidentified track format

That's actually quite ingenius! Thanks for sharing. You're at a radio 
station in the era of Muntz
carts and Studebakers. How many tunes you're taping at that radio station 
are from stereo sources
anyway? My bet is few if any. So it totally works! Question -- what deck at 
a radio station would
record FT at 3.75IPS?

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lou Houck" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Unidentified track format

> Back in my mis-spent youth, I made mix tapes for the 4-Track cart deck in 
> my Studebaker.  Don't snicker, the best is yet to come.  I recorded the 
> lubed tape on full track recorders  (Maggies) at the radio station where I 
> worked ...access to  lots of records.  Then, I brought the tape home and 
> recorded over that full track tape, on my home stereo r/r recorder. 
> Tracks 1&3 stereo, the remaining tracks 2&4 in mono. Then I wound the tape 
> on to the endless loop reel, spliced it together and had the most unique 
> music to be heard on 4 track in a Studebaker Lark.  If you stumble on one 
> of those old Muntz Carts, that's the format.  Let the snickering begin!
> Lou Houck
> Rollin' Recording
> Boerne, TX
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Mark Donahue
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Unidentified track format
> This may be a strange question, but could this be a case of recycled tape
> used on a machine with a different track format? I've run into this before
> that a 1/4 track tape was re-recorded on a 1/2 track NAB format machine or
> vice versa. These turn out to be some of the most confusing transfers
> imaginable because things show up on weird tracks in strange directions.
> All the best,
> -mark
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Richard L. Hess
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>> Gregorio,
>> This is why I'm such a fanatic about developing tapes and looking at 
>> them.
>> The fact that track 3 has B NOT backwards confuses me.
>> Also, I'm surprised you are writing 1/3/2/4 because visually on the tape
>> you'd see 1/2/3/4 and that helps understanding.
>> You could use 1 + 4 to capture, but I'd rather fully understand why as 
>> the
>> narrow tracks, especially at the edge, are not the most desirable unless
>> that's all you have.
>> With track 3 B NOT backwards, I'm at a loss to explain.
>> Develop the tape and post a photo and link to it from the reply message 
>> to
>> the list.
>> Do not rule out misaligned heads. Also, some machines used 1/2 and 4/3 as
>> stereo recording and they might have been UK machines instead of the more
>> common US practice of 1/3  4/2 (in all instances L/R and SideA SideB).
>> Cheers,
>> Richard
>> On 2012-02-27 5:39 AM, Gregorio Garcia Karman wrote:
>>> Dear List,
>>> looking forward to the beginning of a new digitization week: everything
>>> is going well in Cambridge thanks in great extent to the support of the
>>> members of the list. Huge thanks!
>>> Now, I have a small group of 1/4 inch tapes in the collection on which I
>>> am working (ca 1950s-70s, recorded mainly on Ferrographs) which seems to
>>> have a track format, which I haven't met before. On those tapes standard
>>> half-track and half-track butterfly Studer blocks consistently produce a
>>> dual mono signal with unacceptable crosstalk on both channels (bleeding 
>>> of
>>> about -20 dB referring to the signal on the other channel).
>>> On the other hand, the output of a quarter-track headblock is as 
>>> follows:
>>> track 1: Signal A
>>> track 3: Signal A + B
>>> track 2: Signal A + B backwards
>>> track 4: Signal B backwards
>>> It would seem that this very small group of tapes would have been
>>> recorded on a machine with a very narrow guard-band in comparison to the
>>> rest of the tapes I have. What is your opinion about transferring those
>>> tapes on a quarter track headblock and keeping tracks 1 and 4?
>>> I would also be curious about which machine could have had a track 
>>> format
>>> that would agree with the former observations.
>>> Thanks for your comments!
>>> Gregorio Garcia Karman
>>> [log in to unmask]
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