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Archive.org seems to take an approach like this -- put it up there and if we get a nasty-gram from 
someone who can back up their copyright claim, it's down. They have enough backing and cred that 
they probably aren't a fat target for nuisance bottom-feeder lawyers, so only legit claims, or 
claims worth fighting get tossed at them. I've heard the founder speak in several different 
interviews and he talks like he's got some big guns in the internet world backing him, i.e. deep 
pockets.

So I just made a strong argument for this stuff being uploaded to archive.org, especially since 
there are ways to make a front-end that's not actually hosting the material but rather is linking to 
it.

All of that said, who is likely to care or have a legitimate claim over old equipment manuals, 
promotional materials and catalogs? I think it gets much more dicey with books and magazine, and I 
won't upload such materials. However, we see from the link that Sam referenced, there are decades of 
the SMPTE and SMPE Journals at Archive.org. I would have figured SMPTE wouldn't allow that, I stand 
corrected and apologize for my ill will if they know of this and allow it (and I wish AES would take 
an equally generous stance).

Here's a classic example -- Tremaine's "Audio-Cyclopedia." It's _long_ out of print, and apparently 
its contents are in constant demand given the high prices used copies sell for. The current owner of 
Sam's seems to be quite active in keeping scans of the book offline, yet it does not offer a 
hardbound or PDF "legitimate" version for sale. This is the kind of Kafka-esque minefield George is 
properly mentioning.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Brock-Nannestad" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Need for document posting place


> From: Patent Tactics, George Brock-Nannestad
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> so you went ahead and did it! Thanks for the reference. However, I found 4
> distinct files,  not just one. It may be that their reference is to one item
> only, but the individual files are there.
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> George
>
> P.S. Someone has to say the ugly word: rights! Sorry! Has killed many a good
> project.
>
>
>
>> Hi Steve:
>>
>> You can use Archive.org, but I found their interface terrible and
>> inconvenient for the would-be
>> contributor of knowledge. The end result I got was, all of the Audiotape
>> Tape Recorder Directory
>> issues that I had scanned ended up as one page:
>> http://www.archive.org/details/AudioDevices-TapeRecorderDirectory1960-1961
>> which makes it somewhat hard to sift through, although not completely
>> non-inutitive.
>>
>> I plan to upload more stuff like this, including scans of old record-company
>> catalogs. I very much
>> agree with and commend your comment about information being available to all
>> researchers.
>>
>> Agree that ARSC would be an appropriate "mother ship" for record company
>> lists, catalogs and other
>> promotional material, as well as some antique playback equipment
>> information. However, to be useful
>> it would need to be curated and there would need to be standards as far as
>> scan quality, etc. We've
>> batted this around at AES and never come to firm conclusions, although there
>> has been much
>> information sharing and the AESHC website grows each year with more material
>> and more variety of
>> subjects. I am a strong advocate for an established decent quality level for
>> scans, but I don't
>> think they need to be works of art, just good resolution on images and
>> clearly readable text.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:14 PM
>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Need for document posting place
>>
>>
>> >I have many documents that are good source material for researchers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'd like to get some of these onto a site, preferably ARSC-hosted,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have strong feelings that these and others that others may have should
>> be
>> > available to all researchers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The site should be vetted by an ARSC member or committee to avoid
>> > perpetuation of junk data.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It should be available past the lifetime of those contributing
>> documents.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The recent HRS-IRCC questions can be answered from the thick files I have
>> on
>> > both organizations, but I see no reason to send them around and be
>> dependent
>> > on other's interpretations of the data when it is feasible to let all
>> see
>> > the same info and cross-check.  This holds true for a lot of other stuff
>> as
>> > well.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This is a project I feel is of great importance.  How about it, ARSC?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve Smolian
>> >
>