Yeah, you're on the right track!   I also propose minimum sentences for 
overgrading, with Lawrence Welk music played in the cell 24/7.


Re: [ARSCLIST] Grading. Was This price is a joke, right?

Steven Smolian 
04/23/2012 09:49 PM

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In terms of the grading disputes, one serious issue here is the 
use of two grading systems.  Goldmine's system, used in the rock and
non-classical world jumps from VG+ to M-.  The other system, based on 78s
and VJM, includes the E-, E and E+ grades between V+ and M-. 

A uniform system could be mandaded by the Government, but that seems
somewhat unlikely.  It will happen afetr a Federal law is passed to 
legible adresses on every house, the lack of which is the bane of

Of couse, a uniform grading system could be imposed by each state- wait,
isn't there a problem elsewhere with this concept?

Steve Smolian

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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] This price is a joke, right?

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> I don't think it is a joke but this dealer has many records at 
> way-out-of-line prices IMO. Notice that this one is 20% off? Many of 
> his records are discounted and still way over priced. Also notice that 
> he has over 40k sales, but I have no idea how.

Because "he" has over 55,000 records up on site at a time and most of them
are priced in the single and double digits.  A couple of weeks ago I got 
LP from them that I had been looking for for 20 years at a Best Offer 
of $8.00.  Looking at the recent completed sales I do think I have seen 
of them in recent years for less than $3.00, but if you
need a record in a hurry . . . 

> He certainly doesn't take much time to make pictures. The label is on 
> its side and there is no CU. Not very good salesmanship IMO.

Sometimes there are very good images on this site.  They were just sloppy
this time and you might be able to get them to retake pics of the labels
since that is so necessary on this pair.

> I also love the way ebay says that this guy (and many other dealers) 
> receive consistently high feedback, but he is not 100%. So someone has 
> given him bad remarks somewhere. I don't call that consistent. If he 
> is so consistent why isn't he 100%?  joe salerno

This statement is way beneath you, Joe.  99.6% is FANTASTICALLY 
25 negatives in the past 12 months out of almost seven thousand seven
hundred sales?  Some were problems with shipping damage, the customs dept 
Greece and Germany, and others thought that their listing of the lowest
grading of VG should yield a record that was really very very very 
Read the complaints yourself -- there are so few of them it will take 
two minutes. 

On 4/23/2012 7:12 PM, Tom Fine wrote:
> P-/350262861414 are these things really worth $160 each? Can someone 
> provide some history? They seem to be dubs of commercial masters, 
> combined into a 6-8
> minute "set" to be played between voiced announcements?   -- Tom Fine

As for Tom's question, no these are not worth anywhere near this because
these are not original recordings.

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