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This is what the NACO manual says about brackets in the date: The format for citing the date in the 670 field is governed by how it appears in the bibliographic record for the work cataloged. Generally, they will be the same. The date in the authority record does not include brackets even when they are used on the bibliographic record. The following should also be included when citing the date: A. Other symbols used, including the copyright "c" or phonogram copyright "p," question marks, and hyphens. B. Multiple dates, if the bibliographic record has them. C. The Gregorian date only, if the bibliographic record has both Gregorian and non-Gregorian dates. And this is what it says about back cover vs. p. 4 of cover: A. Generally cite the chief source of information first, followed, if necessary, by other sources. Note that when the cover, or any other source, substitutes for the chief source it will be cited as "t.p.", "disc label", "container", etc. Use standard terms and abbreviations including, but not limited to: t.p. jkt. cover verso t.p. label colophon map recto p. 3 of cover back cover title screen disc label jewel case sleeve container home page HTML header B. If the information comes from a specific page of a print resource or digital reproduction of a print resource, cite the page. Omit brackets when citing unnumbered pages. C. If the information comes from the cover of a print resource or digital reproduction of a print resource, cite as: cover (for front cover) p. 2 of cover (for inside front cover) p. 3 of cover (for inside back cover) p. 4 of cover (for back cover) I apologize for not looking this up in my initial post, when I said that it doesn't matter. I still don't think it matters. The manual does not speak to the question of WHY we are told (in bold even) not to bring brackets over from the bibliographic record. Nor does it say what will happen if this misdeed occurs, or if we put brackets around unnumbered pages in authority records, or omit them in bibliographic records. Six lashes from the cataloging police, I suppose. -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hall, Jack Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:05 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] back cover or p. 4 of cover Another poster noted that brackets are not used in the 670 field, and I'm aware that I don't usually (or ever) see them used with a guessed publication date, for example in the a subfield of the 670. E.G. Title..., 199- rather than [199-] I don't know why the brackets are not used and would appreciate a citation to the authority manual and an explanation of why brackets are not used. Jack Hall Manager of Cataloging Services Linguistics Librarian University of Houston Libraries Houston, TX 77204-2000 phone: 713 743 9687 fax: 713 743 9748 email: [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James L. Woods Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 2:39 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] back cover or p. 4 of cover I thought I'd seen LC use "p. [4] of cover." Jamie Woods On 5/2/2012 12:44 PM, Yuji Tosaka wrote: > Dear All, > > I hope someone has a quick answer to the simple question that has been bugging me for the past few days. The question is how "back cover" should be cited as the location of data found in the 670 field. > > It seems that there is no specific instruction in DCM Z1. NACO Participants Manual lists "back cover" as one of standard terms and abbreviations in the 670 field, but also states that "p. 4 of cover" should be used if the information comes from print resources (or their digital reproductions) [both p. 44]. This seems rather confusing to me, since I am hard-pressed to picture types of non-print resources for which information can be taken from the cover. By contrast, it seems that "back over" is cited as "cover p. 4" in the current NACO training slides available on LC web site. > > I guess this is a rather minor, nit-picking question and it really should not matter one way or another, but I am hoping that someone can share an insight on how "back cover" should be cited in the 670 field. > > Best regards, > -- > Yuji Tosaka > Cataloging/Metadata Librarian > The College of New Jersey > Ewing, NJ 08628-0718 > Phone: (609) 771-2156 -- ***************************** James L. Woods Head, Original Cataloging Unit 312 Memorial Library, University of Wisconsin-Madison PHONE: (608) 262-3501