The first A-Vs, like Gennett, were vertical cut. Once the lateral cut
monopoly was broken they changed to lateral cut. The label ran until 1924
when it was sold to Brunswick,who wanted the Vocalian name. All acoustic
masters were apparently scrapped when Brunswick declined interest in them.
Thus acoustic Vocalian sides seem to be "orphans". A decade ago, the
successor-in-interest to the Aeolian Co. was located in Upstate NY,
manufacturing power boats. The proprietor was both ignorant of and
uninterested in them when informed of their existence.


On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Steve Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It should be noted that many phonograph manufacturers were in the
> furniture manufacturing business and designed ands made the cabinets.
>  Talking Machine World is full of advertisements for the mechanical parts
> of phonographs- turntables, arms, reproducers, etc.  They were to be
>  fitted into pre-existing cabinets and sold into a market where the
> appearance of the cabinet and the possible captive market for a particular
> furniture brand name determined sales.  Some went so far as to have records
> made to sell with their phonographs, often by having custom products
> pressed from Columbia's older masters.  This was done by many of the
> mail-order catalog houses of the period.  Piano manufacturers had the
> plants to make such cabinets, Starr Piano being one.  This is an instance
> only- I'm sure others on this list will add other such examples.  I'm
> simply making the point that there was a great deal of interactivity in the
> American household appliance market of the day.
> What is needed here is a look at the design of each A-V (nice
> abbreviation) model a determine the source of its parts.  At some point, I
> assume they either made their own or had them exclusively made for them by
> outside businesses.
> The limiting quality factor was the technological constraints placed on
> any such machines by improvements to the mechanical process that were
> protected by patents still in force and where the manufacturer neither
> owned nor had obtained legal use of them.
> Steve Smolian
> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Barna
> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:38 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Aeolian-Vocalion discography
> Hi John, I'm forwarding your email to someone who might be able to help
> you, who has done more research on Aeolian's pianos that I have. As for
> Aeolian's record manufacturing, according to the Talking Machine World
> Trade Directory (1923 ed.), the discs were pressed at their main
> manufacturing facility in Meriden, Connecticut. I haven't been able to find
> any primary source prior to 1923 citing if the discs were pressed elsewhere
> (yet). A trade directory published in the March 15, 1918 issue of Talking
> Machine World didn't even list Aeolian among the manufacturers of
> phonographs (and they were manufacturing commercial phonographs since 1914;
> their first records were not announced until May 1918, although they were
> stockpiling recordings since July 1917). -Ryan
>> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:14:28 -0400
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> CC: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Aeolian-Vocalion discography
>> Hello Ryan:
>> I saw your post below regarding Aeolian. I am just starting the research
>> for a documentary on the Piano Works - a little know conglomerate of
>> piano manufacturing companies in Rochester New York. At the high point I
>> believe the Piano Works manufactured over 30,000 pianos a year out of
>> their facility - one of the largest piano manufacturers in the world.
>> Aeolian Pianos were manufactured there. I've read that Aeolian also
>> produced the records you mention below. Could you tell me where these
>> records were manufactured? Also, if you have come across any information
>> on Aeolian's involvement in manufacturing at the Piano Works, it would
>> be much appreciated for my research.
>> Kind Regards,
>> John Schroth
>> Media Transfer Service, LLC
>> On 8/1/2012 10:02 AM, Ryan Barna wrote:
>> > Greetings! I'm happy to announce that my first major compilation, >
>> "Aeolian-Vocalion Hill and Dale Records (1918-1920)," is almost ready > for
>> distribution and review. It documents all 387 of Aeolian's known >
>> vertical-cut releases between 1918 and 1920 (recordings made ca. July >
>> 1917 to November 1919), plus several extra features that will detail the >
>> history and significance of these records, and the company. The research >
>> has been coming together very nicely. I have been fortunate (actually, >
>> lucky) enough to locate a near-complete run of Aeolian bulletins, >
>> detailing every release, plus acquiring the data of other excellent >
>> researchers who examined (even X-rayed!) most of the original discs for >
>> matrix numbers. However, I still need your help. There's a lot of > missing
>> matrix numbers that are either not on the discs, or in some > cases, no
>> discs were examined at all (and the list is still rather > lengthy). I
>> still believe there are other collections and institutions > out there with
>> a near-complete run of these, or other individuals who > have examined many
>> of the originals for numbers, so I thought it would > be wise to reach out
>> to the ARSC community for additional assistance > (and ARSClist is the
>> first list I've posted this announcement to). If > you are interested, let
>> me know by August 10, 2012 (you don't have to > submit data by then, I just
>> need to know how many of you are willing to > participate so that I have
>> enough time to decide on how to pursue this > in the upcoming weeks). I
>> want to hear from you, even if you only have > one disc. One is better than
>> none. If you don't know where to look for > the numbers on the discs, I can
>> provide instructions. If you have a > substantial amount of these records
>> (too large to take the time to > inspect and transcribe each one), and are
>> located in the vicinity of > Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Maryland,
>> Delaware, or DC, I will be > happy to schedule an onsite appointment upon
>> your permission. Once > published, it will probably be the most complete
>> and accurate > compilation of these discs since the last catalog of them
>> was published > January 1, 1920 (and even that old catalog is not complete
>> or accurate). > Ryan**Phonostalgia<>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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