It should be noted that many phonograph manufacturers were in the furniture 
manufacturing business and designed ands made the cabinets.  Talking Machine 
World is full of advertisements for the mechanical parts of phonographs- 
turntables, arms, reproducers, etc.  They were to be  fitted into 
pre-existing cabinets and sold into a market where the appearance of the 
cabinet and the possible captive market for a particular furniture brand 
name determined sales.  Some went so far as to have records made to sell 
with their phonographs, often by having custom products pressed from 
Columbia's older masters.  This was done by many of the mail-order catalog 
houses of the period.  Piano manufacturers had the plants to make such 
cabinets, Starr Piano being one.  This is an instance only- I'm sure others 
on this list will add other such examples.  I'm simply making the point that 
there was a great deal of interactivity in the American household appliance 
market of the day.

What is needed here is a look at the design of each A-V (nice abbreviation) 
model a determine the source of its parts.  At some point, I assume they 
either made their own or had them exclusively made for them by outside 

The limiting quality factor was the technological constraints placed on any 
such machines by improvements to the mechanical process that were protected 
by patents still in force and where the manufacturer neither owned nor had 
obtained legal use of them.

Steve Smolian

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ryan Barna
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:38 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Aeolian-Vocalion discography

Hi John, I'm forwarding your email to someone who might be able to help you, 
who has done more research on Aeolian's pianos that I have. As for Aeolian's 
record manufacturing, according to the Talking Machine World Trade Directory 
(1923 ed.), the discs were pressed at their main manufacturing facility in 
Meriden, Connecticut. I haven't been able to find any primary source prior 
to 1923 citing if the discs were pressed elsewhere (yet). A trade directory 
published in the March 15, 1918 issue of Talking Machine World didn't even 
list Aeolian among the manufacturers of phonographs (and they were 
manufacturing commercial phonographs since 1914; their first records were 
not announced until May 1918, although they were stockpiling recordings 
since July 1917). -Ryan
> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 15:14:28 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Aeolian-Vocalion discography
> Hello Ryan:
> I saw your post below regarding Aeolian. I am just starting the research
> for a documentary on the Piano Works - a little know conglomerate of
> piano manufacturing companies in Rochester New York. At the high point I
> believe the Piano Works manufactured over 30,000 pianos a year out of
> their facility - one of the largest piano manufacturers in the world.
> Aeolian Pianos were manufactured there. I've read that Aeolian also
> produced the records you mention below. Could you tell me where these
> records were manufactured? Also, if you have come across any information
> on Aeolian's involvement in manufacturing at the Piano Works, it would
> be much appreciated for my research.
> Kind Regards,
> John Schroth
> Media Transfer Service, LLC
> On 8/1/2012 10:02 AM, Ryan Barna wrote:
> > Greetings! I'm happy to announce that my first major compilation, 
> > "Aeolian-Vocalion Hill and Dale Records (1918-1920)," is almost ready 
> > for distribution and review. It documents all 387 of Aeolian's known 
> > vertical-cut releases between 1918 and 1920 (recordings made ca. July 
> > 1917 to November 1919), plus several extra features that will detail the 
> > history and significance of these records, and the company. The research 
> > has been coming together very nicely. I have been fortunate (actually, 
> > lucky) enough to locate a near-complete run of Aeolian bulletins, 
> > detailing every release, plus acquiring the data of other excellent 
> > researchers who examined (even X-rayed!) most of the original discs for 
> > matrix numbers. However, I still need your help. There's a lot of 
> > missing matrix numbers that are either not on the discs, or in some 
> > cases, no discs were examined at all (and the list is still rather 
> > lengthy). I still believe there are other collections and institutions 
> > out there with a near-complete run of these, or other individuals who 
> > have examined many of the originals for numbers, so I thought it would 
> > be wise to reach out to the ARSC community for additional assistance 
> > (and ARSClist is the first list I've posted this announcement to). If 
> > you are interested, let me know by August 10, 2012 (you don't have to 
> > submit data by then, I just need to know how many of you are willing to 
> > participate so that I have enough time to decide on how to pursue this 
> > in the upcoming weeks). I want to hear from you, even if you only have 
> > one disc. One is better than none. If you don't know where to look for 
> > the numbers on the discs, I can provide instructions. If you have a 
> > substantial amount of these records (too large to take the time to 
> > inspect and transcribe each one), and are located in the vicinity of 
> > Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Delaware, or DC, I will be 
> > happy to schedule an onsite appointment upon your permission. Once 
> > published, it will probably be the most complete and accurate 
> > compilation of these discs since the last catalog of them was published 
> > January 1, 1920 (and even that old catalog is not complete or accurate). 
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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