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It's silly that the author doesn't self-republish for a reasonable price. It can be done electronically (either as only eBook or as print-on-demand) and thus no overhead and no inventory, just a cut of all sales. Cary Ginell, isn't that how you did your book? -- Tom Fine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Kulp" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] archiving slide-tape shows (was voca-film technology) > > > http > I have been wanting to get that book for years.Look what it costs > > http://www.amazon.com/Masters-America-Communications-Pioneering-Progress/dp/0939766167 > > Roger > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2012 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] archiving slide-tape shows (was voca-film technology) > > I only was involved once in producing a multi-slide projector > presentation, back in the 1980s. The device which controlled the three > Kodak Carousel projectors also provided the tones for recording the > control-track. It could cut or dissolve from projector to projector, > have any number of them on at the same time, and get the slides changed > with the lamps either on or off. It was far more complex than a DuKane > filmstrip frame-advance, but once you recorded your track (and you could > make changes afterwards, by the way) it would run flawlessly by itself > unless a slide jammed. > > Of interest to THIS list would be the slide shows created by Ed Hutto. > He did some on the life of Bing Crosby, and also a fantastic history of > the Victor Talking Machine Co. At our 1974 Conference in Phila he > showed us the thousand-or-so slides he was preparing, using just one > projector, and quickly changing bing-bing-bing for nearly and hour which > had our eyes bugging out and occasionally shouting WAIT!!! But next > year came the finished product with music, narration, and a leasurly > feast for the eyes. Ed had worked at RCA Camden for decades, and had > taken pictures inside and outside, and also had access to their archive > when it was in Camden, and then in NYC. > > Ed retired to Florida and I had heard that he continued showing his > Crosby presentations. He sent his slides to Fred Barnum who used many > of the images in a 1989 display and in his book "His Master's Voice In > America". I wonder if the multi-projector slide show could be restored. > Steve Ramm -- are you in touch with Fred? Does anyone know if Ed is > still alive? > > > Mike Biel [log in to unmask] > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Randy A. Riddle" <[log in to unmask]> > > Archiving these wouldn't be at all technically difficult - just > remarkably tedious. > > If one had the original multitrack tape and the slides and film, along > with a script, you could set up multiple video tracks in Final Cut or > a similar video editing package and key the video track to an audio > control track for each projector, placing the slides with cuts or fade > in or fade out as a guide. > > It could be output in 4K or 6K format for projection at a festival or > museum showing or down-coverted to hi-def for reference viewing by > researchers. > > Of course, if the original slides and tapes were available, the > original equipment could be reassembled for a showing, but that would > probably be impractical and expensive. > > rand > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Richard L. Hess > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Hi, Randy, >> >> I was involved in making shows a step down from this for St. John's >> University (my alma mater) which we did for several years for Freshman >> Orientation--and even developed a small business out of this named "LM >> Productions". It stood for "Last-Minute Productions" as one of the team >> members experienced in personally developing Ektachrome slide film in his >> own darkroom and the Freshmen could actually see themselves in the slide >> show (which was given on the final day of orientation). We also did some of >> these for parents as well, as the business expanded and did a few for other >> schools. >> >> We either arranged four projectors in a quad or three in a row and had only >> a single cue tone that changed all projectors at once, but we could continue >> some images by putting multiple copies in. We couldn't afford the AVL >> sequencers. We used mono sound with cue tones on the other channel. >> >> I also made five of these shows personally between 1975 and 1989. The 1975 >> show was for an art project on St. George and the Dragon for a friend. The >> 1976 and 1978 ones commemorated trips to England and the 1978 "Cathedrals >> and Abbeys of England" received about 25 showings around the NY City area >> and several in the Aurora, Ontario area in the early 1980s, plus a few >> showings in the Glendale, California area. Mary Beth and I did a slide-tape >> show from our Expo 86 and 1989 Alaska trips. I don't think I've shown any of >> these more than once or twice since the kids were born in the early 1990s. >> >> I have been struggling with how to preserve and show them today. All the >> elements are preserved--all the slides have been scanned at 12 MP and the >> sound tracks are all on hard drive in our storage servers. The reassembly is >> not an easy task. Finding a format and application to do it has not been a >> major priority, but I tried it once and kept crashing Adobe Premier about >> ten years ago. One of the joys of this show is that many of the exterior >> images were shot on Kodachrome 25 and I want to maintain some semblance of >> that level of resolution. Also, the images are a mix of vertical and >> horizontal which makes life a joy. >> >> My five shows were only two projectors/one image with dissolve. >> >> So, extrapolating from what I know and have done to preserve my meagre >> creativity in this area, I would hate to see the budget for properly >> preserving some of the more massive shows. In a sense, its a bit like the >> massive painting of The Crucifixion at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in >> Glendale, California. >> http://www.forestlawn.com/Special-Events-And-Facilities/Hall-Of-The-Crucifixion-Resurrection.asp?id=2 >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Lawn_Memorial_Park,_Glendale >> It is a 195 x 45 foot painting, displayed with a programmed narration that >> drives lighting spotlighting areas of the painting as they are discussed. >> >> This, too, was from another era, as was Todd-AO and especially Cinerama >> which is difficult to reproduce properly. Showscan and IMAX are two other >> difficult-to-archive formats that are still current. >> >> The difficulties and costs of archiving "Grandeur" formats (using the 20s >> Fox Studio short-lived format's name) and large multi-media presentations >> are huge. Anything other than playing back at "full scale" diminishes the >> experience--in the same way as looking at a lock-down camera video recording >> of an opera would. >> >> Is there any archive focusing on these, I wonder??? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Richard >> >> On 2012-08-03 9:22 AM, Randy A. Riddle wrote: >>> >>> When I was in college at App State in North Carolina, Kodak brought a >>> show to campus that I still remember today. >>> >>> It consisted of hundreds of 35mm slides and 8mm or 16mm movie footage >>> shot by two guys that went on an adventure trip somewhere in the >>> western US. >>> >>> The whole thing was automated with a recorded sound track and racks of >>> projectors. >>> >>> It's a shame that shows like this aren't archived in ways they can be >>> periodically brought out and redone. >>> >