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Well, if I lived closer .... thank you kindly. Whenever you can get around to it. Mine may be from those same sources as they do sound quite good. Best wishes, Carl -----Original Message----- From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dennis Rooney Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:02 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set Dear Carl, As I told Tom Fine in an earlier post on this subject, it may take a while for me to find those Dutton CDs as they are in semi-deep storage. But I promise to share what I discover when I can reach them. What I really need is an agile young person willing to volunteer to help in the endeavor. Ciao, DDR On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dennis, may I ask you to review your Pye/EMI holdings? I have an e-cheapo > Dutch Barbirolli/Halle set that was made from EMI masters dated 1986, 1990, > and 1991. Sibelius Syms 1 & 5, Brahms Sym 4, and Nielsen Sym 4. Recording > dates range from 5/57 to 9/59. Would these be Dutton's work? They’re a lot > better than Vanguard Everyman (!), but there is one big flaw. The second > mvmnt of Inextinguishable is about 10dB lower than the rest of the work. > Since it's attacca, the effect of the arrival of III is quite disturbing. > > The Sibelius 1 sounds like a Mercury (Dec 30, 1957), the others having a > more distant perspective. They were very busy at that time. Auger waxed > Sibelius 1, VW 2, Bax, Butterworth, possibly more, just after Christmas (a > couple weeks after I was born). Some October sessions in that year are > credited to John Moseley. Douglas Terry was the producer. > > The Bax Fan and Butterworth Shropshire, side 2 of SR90115, also appear in > the EMI box set I mentioned, along with VW sym 2, with production dates of > 2010. I'll check those out. Maybe they'll offer clues to what we can look > forward to if Universal gets that stuff in order. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dennis Rooney > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:53 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set > > The first CD reissues of Pye-Nixa material was done in the 80s by Michael > Dutton. I collected them because of their generally excellent quality. > (This is before Dutton established his own label and began employing some > dubious restoration techniques.). I certainly remember the Hallé/Barbirolli > Bax GARDEN OF FAND, which came up fresh as paint. I didn't investigate how > much it did or did not resemble the Mercury Lp except that it was free of > the congestion heard on both the mono and stereo vinyl issues. > > DDR > > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask] > >wrote: > > > Regarding the Barbirolli material that was recorded by Mercury and Pye, I > > am pretty sure that EMI used the Pye 2-track masters for their early-era > CD > > reissues. I think those digital masters were later leased to the > Barbirolli > > Society, which put out some of the same material. According to the > Mercury > > tape logs I've seen, all of the Halle/Barbirolli 3-track and mono masters > > were sent to EMI, many of them in the early 60's and the rest by 1971. I > am > > not clear exactly what the Pye 2-track master were. I was told by one > > first-person participant that they were made by Pye from the feeds of the > > left and right mics, which would explain what I perceive as a > > non-Mercury-like weak center in the EMI CD reissues. Another first-person > > participant told me that Bob Auger did his own on-location 3-2 mix and > > recorded to a 2-track master. A more logical explaination, based on other > > Mercury operating procedures, is that Pye would have gotten a 2-track > made > > during the first American LP cutting, so it is a "first generation 3-2 > mix" > > tape. However, as I said, the EMI CD reissues do not sound the same as > the > > original Mercury LPs or mass-duped 2-track tapes. > > > > -- Tom Fine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Pultz" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:23 PM > > Subject: [ARSCLIST] New-ish EMI set > > > > > > I was happy to find that the 'Sir John Barbirolli: The Great EMI > >> Recordings' > >> box set contained a mix of transfers from across the digital era, the > >> newer > >> ones excellent. A few tunes that had been the subject of earlier issues > >> are > >> updated. One example is the famous Tallis Fantasia session, which > Bernard > >> Herrmann had a hand in. The 2000 remastering in the box is dramatically > >> different than the 1980s reissue and just clobbers the Angel LP. > >> Unfortunately, the V-W 5 is not updated, but the glory shines through > >> anyway. > >> > >> As someone here recently said, much of the EMI catalog has lagged > somewhat > >> behind the state of the art. With such a huge catalog, that might be > >> understandable, even without all the corporate drama. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]**GOV <[log in to unmask]>] On > >> Behalf Of Tom Fine > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:06 PM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New SONY sets > >> > >> Mike, do you know if there's a policy as to WHICH digital transfer to > use? > >> In the case of both > >> Columbia (Sony) and RCA (BMG), there were many not-so-good attempts > before > >> good remasters were > >> obtained. For Sony, I'd put the ones that Dennis Rooney oversaw in the > >> late > >> 90's as their best. For > >> RCA, the CD layer of the SACDs done by Soundmirror are vastly superior > to > >> earlier attempts. > >> > >> For their box set, Decca went back and re-did some material that had > been > >> previously remastered, > >> with good results. I think DGG did new transfers for some of the > material > >> in > >> their budget-priced > >> boxes, for instance the Kubelik Mahler cycle seemed to have all been > >> remastered in the late 90s as > >> opposed to some of the earlier remasters of some of the symphonies (I > >> don't > >> think all were > >> previously released prior to the box set). I believe everything was > >> brought > >> up to the era and > >> quality of the "DGG Originals" series, so circa late 90's. > >> > >> -- Tom Fine > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gray, Mike" < > [log in to unmask]> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:47 PM > >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New SONY sets > >> > >> > >> As a rule, no new transfers are made from analog originals save where > no > >>> > >> prior digital transfer > >> > >>> has already been > >>> made. > >>> > >>> > >>> Mike Gray > >>> > >>> > >> > > > -- > Dennis D. Rooney > 303 W. 66th Street, 9HE > New York, NY 10023 > 212.874.9626 > -- Dennis D. Rooney 303 W. 66th Street, 9HE New York, NY 10023 212.874.9626