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You're right, of course, I always get the 44 and 77 mixed up.  I should be able to tell them apart after spending so much time trying to learn how the 77's pattern selector worked.

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> From: Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]>
>To: 'DAVID BURNHAM' <[log in to unmask]> 
>Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:50:38 PM
>Subject: RE: [ARSCLIST] Why Does Take 1 of Jimmy Lunceford's "White Heat" Sound This Way?
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>A 44 wouldn't, but the 77 series were "uni-" or "poly-directional." The 77-A
>was introduced in 1932. Good for a room with wacky acoustics.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of DAVID BURNHAM
>Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:32 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Why Does Take 1 of Jimmy Lunceford's "White Heat"
>Sound This Way?
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>An RCA 77 backwards shouldn't sound much different than it does forewards -
>since in the early days of electrical recording absolute phase became less
>of an issue than it had been in the acoustic days.
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>My apologies to David Lewis, I didn't realize that you had done the noise
>reduction on this yourself;  I thought you were just auditioning it as it
>was on the LP.  For me the biggest problem is the eq, I find that most
>often, (like on the youtube version), the record sounds best with little or
>no eq introduced.
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>db
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>> From: Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: 'DAVID BURNHAM' <[log in to unmask]> 
>>Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:15:32 PM
>>Subject: RE: [ARSCLIST] Why Does Take 1 of Jimmy Lunceford's "White Heat"
>Sound This Way?
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>>Well, the youtube version sounds like the same take to me, right? The delay
>>effect, which I hear most during the bass solo, sounds like a room
>>reflection. Is this the first take of the session? If on other takes the
>>band sounds more present or direct, I'd guess that on the first the main
>mic
>>was pointed away - even backwards, which isn't too hard to do with a ribbon
>>mic like the RCA 77. Sounds like a live/reflective room.
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>>The open trumpet is loud enough to saturate the room. The muted solo sounds
>>like there's a mic on him, but its gain would be too low to contribute to a
>>phase effect.
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>>A harried, distracted, or hung-over recordist just starting his day? All
>>guesses without knowing what the studio setup was like or other recordings.
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>>Sure is hot! Thanks for the Lunceford intro. I'll have to hear more.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of DAVID BURNHAM
>>Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:01 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Why Does Take 1 of Jimmy Lunceford's "White Heat"
>>Sound This Way?
>>
>>You have at least as much experience with this as I do but as I listen and
>>compare the clean youtube version to the parked file, the first thing that
>>strikes me is ill-advised eq, giving it a dark distant sound.  The second
>>thing is likely the artifacts of either poorly adjusted or poor quality
>>noise reduction;  the reason the trumpets are less affected is that with
>any
>>noise reduction program artifacts are most noticeable on lower level
>signals
>>- signals which are closer in level to the noise which is being removed.
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>>That's my two cents worth!
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>>db
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: David Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: [log in to unmask] 
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:10:46 AM
>>>Subject: [ARSCLIST] Why Does Take 1 of Jimmy Lunceford's "White Heat"
>Sound
>>This Way?
>>> 
>>>I have parked a file of it here:
>https://www.box.com/s/6hq39rgxp0nd53pnty0n
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>>>This comes from X LP LX 3002, which was issued in 1953. It is not one of
>>>Ethel Gabriel's enthusiastically skewered "simulated stereo" remixes, but
>>>this weird flanging effect is in the mono original.
>>>I used to have a buff Bluebird that had this very take on it, and when I
>>>listened to it, I would think "What in the world.....??"
>>>
>>>It sounds like it could have been the result of two mikes out of phase, or
>>>two takes cut into the same platter, but if that was the case you'd hear
>>>artifacts in the trumpet solo, not the case here. There
>>>is a more common take 2 that sounds normal. Mx. is BS-81324 according to
>>>the jacket notes of LX 3002, recorded 1-26-1934.
>>>
>>>Uncle Dave Lewis
>>>Lebanon, OH
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