Roger I let it go overnight,or go away for a few hours and come back. Roger ________________________________ From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering How long does the process require, including allowing for the glue to harden enough to remove from the record? Joe Salerno On 9/8/2012 7:59 AM, Andrew Hamilton wrote: > I have found other methods less effective. This is also way cheaper > than buying a VPI. > > This type of wood glue is not prone to balling or gumminess. It > becomes hard, like leathery peanut brittle. It pulls right off as a > flexi-disc posi and leaves no mess. The grooves stay on the record and > the dirt(s) stay(s) on the doughnut. The glue ignores the pvc. It's > magic. Don't try this on something precious until you get the hang of > it, of course. > > > -Homer Form-B-side > > > > On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Tom Fine wrote: > >> Why would you ever do this rather than a soak/brush/vacuum clean? >> >> The only thing I've ever encountered that wouldn't come off with a VPI >> cleaning or two was what appeared to be tarballs or glue residue on a >> record. I finally had to gently apply isoprop to the tarballs and >> gently wipe them off in a curled-up motion once they got less sticky. >> I doubt covering the record in a sticky substance would have lifted >> those tarballs, and they might have come from just such an >> ill-convceived "cleaning method" gone wrong. >> >> -- Tom Fine >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hamilton" <[log in to unmask]> >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 7:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering >> >> >> I recommend one try it first only on sides which are quite horrendous >> for their content / presentation, as well as degree of debris >> covering them, in order to get the technique sorted. It's best to >> have a dedicated tt that is broken, say, so that you can use it for >> all your glue-cleaning. (Too bad it doesn't require "hot glue" - >> hehe). The stuff in Tite Bond, anyway, doesn't adhere, once dry, to >> the pvc. But it _does_ adhere to almost everything else. I tried >> it on a little Wagner a while back and have the glue doughnut, still, >> from the perfect pull - which was my sole effort at this, to date. >> The record is fine and clean as a whistle, and the doughnut's mirror- >> like image of the grooves looks dern near playable, had I a >> bifurcated stylus in my kit. (Is that _all_ I'd need for playing >> back a "father?" - not that this would be a normal sort of father - >> more like a son of a disc..). >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Tom Fine wrote: >> >>> This is insane, but it's your records, not mine. I would _NEVER_ do >>> this! >>> >>> -- Tom Fine >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kulp" >>> <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 1:47 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering >>> >>> >>> http://www.cratekings.com/clean-records-with-wood-glue-aka-the- >>> vinyl-facelift/ >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDiF-eVOgoI >>> http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99837 >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Marie O'Connell <[log in to unmask]> >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 11:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering >>> >>> I fail to see how a glue can clean records? Please explain. >>> >>> Marie >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The best,and cheapest way to clean records,is with good old elmer's >>>> glue. >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: H D Goldman <[log in to unmask]> >>>> To: [log in to unmask] >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 4:29 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering >>>> >>>> What I fail to understand is why disc phonograph records are >>>> treated so >>>> differently from other common things we clean. Most of us do not >>>> re-use >>>> the bath water when washing our dishes, cleaning our clothes, taking a >>>> bath, or brushing our teeth, so why is it so good for cleaning disc >>>> recordings? >>>> >>>> Traces of mold or mildew once introduced to the bath have the >>>> potential to >>>> contaminate every succeeding disc. Thoroughly cleaned discs do not >>>> require >>>> a "treatment" for static though some surfaces seem more prone to >>>> developing >>>> a charge with repeated playback. In these cases & situations where >>>> raising >>>> the humidity is not possible or of limited value, the ZeroStat or >>>> similar >>>> device is helpful but costly new. I suggest looking for them at estate >>>> sales; even those with broken triggers can usually be fixed. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Duane Goldman >>>> >>>> On Sep 6, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Tom Fine wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi Buddy: >>>> > >>>> > 1. I wouldn't clean a 45RPM this way. A good solution is the >>>> Spin-Clean >>>> record washer: >>>> > >>>> http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/58982/Spin-Clean- >>>> Record_Washer_System-Record_Cleaning_Machine?&banner_id=242 >>>> > There are many options for cleaning fluids, up to quite costly and >>>> exotic. Dawn dish liquid would not be my choice. It can leave a >>>> residue. >>>> > >>>> > 2. The best way to fight static is first of all don't use a cheapo >>>> fabric platter mat and second don't work in too low-humidity >>>> environment. I >>>> have a humidity meter in the studio and I get static problems if >>>> it's under >>>> 50% or so, closer to 55% is better. You can also use a Zero-Stat gun: >>>> > >>>> http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/10413/Milty-Zerostat_3_Gun- >>>> Record_Cleaner >>>> > I have an original Discwasher Zerostat that still works well and >>>> does a >>>> good job on all but the most badly-static-charged LP sides >>>> > >>>> > 3. Regarding new, unplayed vinyl, it's usually somewhat grimey >>>> from the >>>> factory and transit. I always clean it before playing it. >>>> > >>>> > 4. As for EQ, any new grooved vinyl is designed for standard RIAA >>>> playback EQ. Any standard phono preamp provides RIAA eq as well as >>>> level >>>> boost, so it should be OK to interface the preamp directly to your >>>> computer. >>>> > >>>> > Good luck! Making decent-sounding vinyl-to-digital transfers >>>> requires >>>> some careful listening and testing different methods, but when the >>>> results >>>> are good, you get the sound you like from the vinyl with the >>>> convenience of >>>> digital files. >>>> > >>>> > -- Tom Fine >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blue Star Music" < >>>> [log in to unmask]> >>>> > To: <[log in to unmask]> >>>> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:40 PM >>>> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> Please excuse me if these questions have already been asked and >>>> answered. >>>> >> >>>> >> I am converting 45 RPM vinyl to digital using pristine (never >>>> played) >>>> vinyl on a Stanton belt-drive turntable through amp/eq to computer >>>> input. >>>> Here are my questions: >>>> >> >>>> >> 1. I've been told to put the records on end in a soapy wash and >>>> brush >>>> them with the groove using a soft bristle brush. 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