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Even if the wood glue method of LP cleaning is as effective as using a VPI or comparable machine (a BIG if), the biggest problem I have with it is that it is both labor intensive and time consuming.  It could arguably take two days to clean two sides.  And after you clean the first side, how do you keep it perfectly clean when doing the second?

Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't really make sense to do this in most instances.

Jon Samuels

--- On Sat, 9/8/12, Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Saturday, September 8, 2012, 10:52 PM

 
Roger
I'm told for vinyl records it works as good as a VPI.

 
Roger



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Why would you ever do this rather than a soak/brush/vacuum clean?

The only thing I've ever encountered that wouldn't come off with a VPI cleaning or two was what 
appeared to be tarballs or glue residue on a record. I finally had to gently apply isoprop to the 
tarballs and gently wipe them off in a curled-up motion once they got less sticky. I doubt covering 
the record in a sticky substance would have lifted those tarballs, and they might have come from 
just such an ill-convceived "cleaning method" gone wrong.

-- Tom Fine

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I recommend one try it first only on sides which are quite horrendous
for their content / presentation, as well as degree of debris
covering them, in order to get the technique sorted.   It's best to
have a dedicated tt that is broken, say, so that you can use it for
all your glue-cleaning.   (Too bad it doesn't require "hot glue" -
hehe).   The stuff in Tite Bond, anyway, doesn't adhere, once dry, to
the pvc.   But it _does_ adhere to almost everything else.   I tried
it on a little Wagner a while back and have the glue doughnut, still,
from the perfect pull - which was my sole effort at this, to date.
The record is fine and clean as a whistle, and the doughnut's mirror-
like image of the grooves looks dern near playable, had I a
bifurcated stylus in my kit.  (Is that _all_ I'd need for playing
back a "father?" - not that this would be a normal sort of father -
more like a son of a disc..).

Andrew





On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Tom Fine wrote:

> This is insane, but it's your records, not mine. I would _NEVER_ do  this!
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kulp"  <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 1:47 AM
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> http://www.cratekings.com/clean-records-with-wood-glue-aka-the- vinyl-facelift/
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDiF-eVOgoI
> http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99837
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> ________________________________
> From: Marie O'Connell <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering
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> I fail to see how a glue can clean records? Please explain.
>
> Marie
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Roger Kulp <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>
>> The best,and cheapest way to clean records,is with good old  elmer's glue.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: H D Goldman <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 4:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering
>>
>> What I fail to understand is why disc phonograph records are  treated so
>> differently from other common things we clean. Most of us do not  re-use
>> the bath water when washing our dishes, cleaning our clothes,  taking a
>> bath, or brushing our teeth, so why is it so good for cleaning disc
>> recordings?
>>
>> Traces of mold or mildew once introduced to the bath have the  potential to
>> contaminate every succeeding disc. Thoroughly cleaned discs do not  require
>> a "treatment" for static though some surfaces seem more prone to  developing
>> a charge with repeated playback. In these cases & situations where  raising
>> the humidity is not possible or of limited value, the ZeroStat or  similar
>> device is helpful but costly new. I suggest looking for them at  estate
>> sales; even those with broken triggers can usually be fixed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Duane Goldman
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Buddy:
>> >
>> > 1. I wouldn't clean a 45RPM this way. A good solution is the
>> Spin-Clean
>> record washer:
>> >
>> http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/58982/Spin-Clean- 
>> Record_Washer_System-Record_Cleaning_Machine?&banner_id=242
>> > There are many options for cleaning fluids, up to quite costly and
>> exotic. Dawn dish liquid would not be my choice. It can leave a  residue.
>> >
>> > 2. The best way to fight static is first of all don't use a cheapo
>> fabric platter mat and second don't work in too low-humidity  environment. I
>> have a humidity meter in the studio and I get static problems if  it's under
>> 50% or so, closer to 55% is better. You can also use a Zero-Stat gun:
>> >
>> http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/10413/Milty-Zerostat_3_Gun- Record_Cleaner
>> > I have an original Discwasher Zerostat that still works well and
>> does a
>> good job on all but the most badly-static-charged LP sides
>> >
>> > 3. Regarding new, unplayed vinyl, it's usually somewhat grimey
>> from the
>> factory and transit. I always clean it before playing it.
>> >
>> > 4. As for EQ, any new grooved vinyl is designed for standard RIAA
>> playback EQ. Any standard phono preamp provides RIAA eq as well as  level
>> boost, so it should be OK to interface the preamp directly to your  computer.
>> >
>> > Good luck! Making decent-sounding vinyl-to-digital transfers
>> requires
>> some careful listening and testing different methods, but when the  results
>> are good, you get the sound you like from the vinyl with the  convenience of
>> digital files.
>> >
>> > -- Tom Fine
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blue Star Music" <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:40 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Details on vinyl to digital re-mastering
>> >
>> >
>> >> Please excuse me if these questions have already been asked and
>> answered.
>> >>
>> >> I am converting 45 RPM vinyl to digital using pristine (never
>> played)
>> vinyl on a Stanton belt-drive turntable through amp/eq to computer  input.
>> Here are my questions:
>> >>
>> >> 1. I've been told to put the records on end in a soapy wash and
>> brush
>> them with the groove using a soft bristle brush. The wash is  supposed to
>> be distilled water with dish soap. Is this recommended for pristine
>> vinyl? Is there a certain brand of soap to use or stay away from (ie:
>> Dawn)?
>> >>
>> >> 2. After air drying, I've been using "Gruv-Glide" to reduce
>> static.
>> Is there something better?
>> >>
>> >> 3. Is this process all wrong?
>> >>
>> >> 4. What eq settings are recommended to bring vinyl back to life?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your input.
>> >>
>> >> BW
>> >> Buddy Weaver
>> >> San Diego, CA
>> >
>>
>> H D Goldman Lagniappe Chemicals Ltd.
>> PO Box 37066 St. Louis, MO 63141 USA
>> v/f 314 205 1388 [log in to unmask]
>>

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