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Gail and Wayne
 
We are hoping that issues like this will be addressed if our RDA change
proposals, 6JSC/BL/3 and 6JSC/BL/4, are approved by JSC in November -
see  http://www.rda-jsc.org/workingnew.html
<http://www.rda-jsc.org/workingnew.html> 
 
6JSC/BL/3 would admit other terms indicative of of rank, honour or
office (LC have responded to this proposal and I've already redrafted
it, for greater clarity).
 
6JSC/BL/4 would expand the definition of Other designation associated
with the person.
 
If approved, one or the other of these should capture the terms of
address and clan names that you refer to.
 
Regards
Richard
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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
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Sent: 10 September 2012 14:53
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Examples of upgraded NARs with $c



Hi, Wayne,

 

I think you're right to use $c religious rand/title when date is not
available. But in this case, "$c da shi" is not a religious rank or
title. It's simply a respectful address to someone who is respectable.

 

As to the Mongolian clan names, we have similar dilemma in Chinese
Buddhist names. Quite a number of people converted to Buddhism would
adopt the last name "Shi" of Sakyamuni, the founder of Buddhism.
Actually "Shi" is neither a religious title nor a rank. It's a clan
name. We can't find an exact category to fit in. As a result, we have a
lot of "$c Shi" in NARs. I have no clue how we can deal with this clan
name issues in future RDA.

 

I hope I have partial answers to your question(s).

 

Gail

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Examples of upgraded NARs with $c

 

Gail,

 

Thank you for the example. I do have one question.  As someone who has
upgraded many NARs I realize that the $d is usually preferred over $c.
If the date hadn't been available wouldn't $c da shi have been
acceptable under RDA 9.19.1.2 c)? 

 

Thanks to Hideyuki Morimoto for pointing out this example.

 

One reason for my inquiry is I am encountering and adding information to
more and more NARs which have the 667 "THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED
UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED". I almost
all cases the "offending" $c is a clan name. Clan names are frequently
an important part of Mongolian names since there aren't family names.
I'm sure clan names are also important in other cultural traditions. 

I guess I'm trying to wrap my head around where these fit in RDA (9.6?)
and how these would be treated when converting them to RDA.

 

Thank you for any help.

 

Wayne Richter

Asian Materials Specialist/PCC Liaison

The Libraries

Western Washington University

Bellingham, WA 98225-9103

ALCTS CC:AAM

 

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 1:39 PM
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Hi, All,

 

I personally converted one record to RDA. The original record had 667 "
THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN
REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED" and the heading was "Xinyun, $c da shi." It has
been changed to "Xinyun, $d 1927- ." LCCN n 85047431. 

 

I also attached the original for reference.

 

Gail Gao

Cataloger of China Section

Library of Congress

 

 

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 3:53 PM
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Benjamin A Abrahamse <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

One that I ran across the other day: ARN 08783993; LCCN: n 2011180633

100:1x:$a Babcock, Philip S., $c Ph. D.


That one hasn't been flipped yet.  Wayne's looking for a record that has
been revised to the RDA standard and the 667 removed in the process.

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