Roger � Would 1953-54 be about the last that they were used? Roger � ________________________________ From: [Richard A Kaplan] <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Howard Scott Dies Hi Dennis, How long was it until tape rendered the 16-inch lacquers obsolete? For� example, when the Philadelphia Orchestra resumed recording in April, 1949 after the strike, would those recordings have been mastered on tape, or was tape used� as a backup for the discs for some time? I believe that was the case in� Europe. Rich Kaplan In a message dated 10/7/2012 1:46:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time,� [log in to unmask] writes: Dear� Tom, Of course Columbia and CBS engineers knew of developments in� magnetic tape; however, in keeping with their general conservative attitude� about innovations, they were not convinced that tape offered comparable� audio quality to disc, as well as mechanical reliability. Dub-editing was� well understood in broadcasting and the Columbia engineers were experienced� in it. Tape waited until 1949 to begin to be used as a mastering medium� at Columbia. That decision may seem perplexing to you but there it is.� In 1947-48 when Howard's team made the first 100 Lp masters� disc-to-disc, their technique produced superior results, particularly� respecting s/n, to what would have been achieved� disc-to-tape. DDR On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Tom� Fine <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > I don't understand� something about the obit and the story of the LP dawn > that it� told. > > Jack Mullin was out west in 1947 holding demonstrations� and using his > Magnetophones with the Bing Crosby radio program. The� concept of magnetic > tape was well known in the broadcast world. In� fact, the Edward R. Murrow > album "I Can Hear It Now" was produced� using tape editing and the 78RPM > album includes a lengthy production� note describing this newfangled (at CBS > News) editing� technique. > > So none of this trickled over to Bridgeport CT?� They really were doing > disk-to-disk dubs in 1948? Why??? The Ampex 200� came out that year, the > 200A soon afterward. Surely Bill Paley's� empire could afford a few tape > machines. Closer to Bridgeport,� Fairchild was making tape machines by 1948 > and perhaps earlier (I� don't have a clear timeframe as to when Fairchild > first produced� magnetic recorders, but a 1948 article about Reeves Studios > in NYC� shows Fairchild's "new" tape machines in service and one is pictured >� on the magazine cover). > > So again, why the complex machinations� of disk-to-disk dubbing? BTW, RIP > Howard Scott and he did indeed come� up with an ingenius if hardest way > possible to solve the problem of� matching up the 78RPM sides. > > Ironically, the man who INVENTED� the magnetic tape splicing block, at > least the US iteration of the� concept, was CBS News producer/editor Joel > Tall� (EdiTall). > > -- Tom Fine > > PS -- Mullin wasn't the� only guy to bring a working Magnetophone home. The > BBC captured some� of them and did detailed dissections, and Col. Ranger > brought home at� least one. My bet is Fairchild's engineers got their hands > on one very� soon after the war or else how could their development keep a > similar� pace to Mullin/Ampex? There were at least dozens of Magetophones > made� during WWII, if not hundreds, perhaps more. The whole story of >� disk-dubbing for the new LP medium would make more sense if Columbia� had > been a little company not connected to a broadcast network and not� located > in what was then the East Coast industrial corridor. I'm not� doubting the > disk-dubbing happened, I just have trouble believing no� one at Columbia > knew about tape or had access to tape machines before� the dawn of the LP. > And if they knew and had access, why would they do� a complex disk-to-disk > dubbing method? > > ----- Original� Message ----- From: "Dennis Rooney" < >� [log in to unmask]> > To:� <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 11:43� AM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Howard Scott� Dies > > >� Howard's death is no surprise. He was� failing for some time. Nevertheless, >> his contribution to the birth� of the Lp makes him one of the important >> players in the success of� Columbia Masterworks and worthy of remembrance. >> He liked to tell� the story of moving a cot into a studio where he could >>� nap >> in between supervising dub editing lacquer cuts into Lp� masters, and it >> was >> all true, including having to� re-make a majority of what had been produced >> after technical� problems in manufacturing caused them all to be scrapped. >> Despite� that setback, he and his engineering team began again and met >>� their >> deadline in time for the spring 1948 launch of the new� format. >> >> In the decade before 1961 he supervised many� of the Masterworks recordings >> that allowed Columbia to lead the� U.S. market. I have a photo of Howard >> auditioning a test pressing� sometime in the early fifties. He is young, >> balding and clean� shaven, attired in a dress shirt and tie. Like his >> mentor, Goddard� Lieberson, he set great store by dressing well. I worked >>� on >> many recordings that he supervised when they were reissued on� CD, and >> admired his preparation and disciplined� approach. >> >> What isn't mentioned in that NY TIMES obit� is that he was born Shapiro >> but, >> according to the� assimilationist impulse of his day, changed it to Scott >>� in >> the late forties. It was a privilege to have known him.� *Requiescat in >> pace* >> . >> >>� DDR >> >> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:03 AM, David Lewis� <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >>>� http://www.nytimes.com/2012/**10/07/arts/music/howard-h-** >>>� scott-a-developer-of-the-lp-**dies-at-92.html?_r=1<http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/arts/music/howard-h-scott-a-developer-of-the-lp-dies-at-92.htm l?_r=1> >>> >>>� Funny, he was mentioned here not long ago. >>> >>>� Uncle Dave� Lewis >>> >>> >> >> >>� -- >> Dennis D. Rooney >> 303 W. 66th Street,� 9HE >> New York, NY 10023 >>� 212.874.9626 >> >> -- Dennis D. Rooney 303� W. 66th Street, 9HE New York, NY� 10023 212.874.9626