If there is no township of Alliance, that is much more straightforward. You don’t have to distinguish the entities in GNIS, you just have to find the one that matches the place you’re trying to establish. In
this case it must be the populated place (see the definition), but it doesn’t seem to make any real difference. It only has a population of 781; let’s not make it too complicated.
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Sorry I confused the issue referring to the PCC-LC PS about townships. Alliance is a community in Pamlico County, N.C. which has both a Civil and a Populated place entry in GNIS. Alliance is
not the name of a township in N.C. If one of them were a township it would be more straightforward, I could simply add township as a qualifier to distinguish them.
I’m just not sure what to do when one entry in GNIS is referring to the political city (the civil class) which has legal city limits and the other GNIS entry (Populated place class) is referring to a “Place
or area with clustered or scattered buildings” which may or may not coincide with the legal boundaries of the incorporated city limits.
Vicki Brueck
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It’s hard to know what to say beyond the definitions you cited from GNIS and what’s in LCRI 23.2. Note that the feature name for the civil place is “Town of Alliance.” There is a whole paragraph about North
Carolina townships in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_township
Usually when we establish a local place name it’s for the populated place. Which one you need depends on the work you’re cataloging. If it’s a township, include Township in the qualifier. If it’s just the
populated place, no additional qualifier is needed. They are treated as separate entities for cataloging purposes. I don’t understand the purpose of establishing separate headings when the two are coextensive, but that’s the rule.
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Subject: [PCCLIST] populated place versus civil class designation in GNIS
I would like to create the authority record for Alliance, N.C. which has not yet been established in the authority file. My piece refers to “Alliance” in Pamlico County, N.C. When I search for Alliance in North Carolina in GNIS there
are two applicable entries, one is in the class Populated place and one is in the class Civil.
Feature name: Alliance
ID: 1018801
Class: Populated place
Entry date: 17-Jun-1980
Class Code Description: |
Populated Place that is also an incorporated place with the same name and the same Census Code. |
Census code: 01000
Census class code: P1
GSA code: 0073
Latitude:
350842N
Longitude:
0764808W
Feature name: Town of Alliance
ID: 2405137
Class: Civil
Entry date: 10-Mar-2008
Class Code Description: |
Incorporated Places. An active incorporated place that does not serve as a county subdivision equivalent. |
Census code: 01000
Census class code: C1
Latitude: 350818N
Longitude:
0764743W
Populated place definition: “Place or area with clustered or scattered buildings and a permanent human population (city, settlement, town, village). A populated
place is usually not incorporated and by definition has no legal boundaries. However, a populated place may have a corresponding "civil" record, the legal boundaries of which may or may not coincide with the perceived populated place. Distinct from Census
and Civil classes.”
Civil definition: “A political division formed for administrative purposes (borough, county, incorporated place, municipio, parish, town, township). Distinct from
Census and Populated Place.”
Could someone please explain the difference between Populated place and Civil classes when creating authority records for places? Does this mean that for authority record purposes these are two distinct places and I need to first decide
if my piece is referring to the populated place or to the civil place and then create an authority record which would reflect my usage and distinguish it from the other use? Or am I making this much too difficult for myself?
The only guidance I seemed to find in RDA is in LC-PCC PS for 16.2.2.12 Places with the same name under the section, U.S. Townships:
“Before May 2007 as the result of differing instructions, some towns or townships that were coextensive with the populated place were subsumed under the authorized access point for the populated place. As these civil jurisdictions are encountered,
establish them separately.”
I appreciate any explanation someone may have because I have reasoned myself in circles,
Vicki Brueck
Vicki Brueck
Senior Cataloger
Resource Management Services Branch
State Library of North Carolina
4641 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, N.C. 27699-4641
Office: (919) 807-7451 Fax: (919) 733-1843
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