There is also this about sources of information for the preferred name from RDA 220.127.116.11 (emphasis added): Determine the preferred name for a person from the following sources *(in order of preference):* a) the preferred sources of information (see 2.2.2) in resources associated with the person b) other formal statements appearing in resources associated with the person c) other sources (including reference sources). ------------------------------------------ John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Cambridge, MA 02138 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 13:16 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] George F. Black On the other hand, the heavily predominant usage in OCLC is George F. Black. I also found George Fraser Black, G.F. Black, and Geo. Fraser Black, which could be cited. Since George Fraser Black was coded AACR2 compatible, that implies that the fuller form was not interpreted as fully compliant with AACR2, and bib records support that. Another problem that hasn’t been mentioned is that there is no justification for the dates in the AR: 046 ǂf 1866 ǂg 1948 1001 Black, George Fraser, ǂd 1866-1948 373 New York Public Library 374 Author ǂa Scholar ǂa Bibliographer 375 male 377 eng 670 The surnames of Scotland, 1993: ǂb t.p. (George F. Black) cover p. 4 (Dr. George Fraser Black was a noted bibliographer and historical scholar at the N.Y. Public Library for over 30 years) They are no doubt on the manual authority record at LC, but I believe that an effort should be made when upgrading such a record to find that information. Chuck Herrold Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Mastraccio Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 12:09 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] George F. Black John Hostage asked: why was the heading Black, George Fraser, 1866-1948 converted unchanged from an AACR2-compatible to an RDA heading? The only t.p. form given is George F. Black, so shouldn’t the access point be Black, George F., 1866-1948 ? After a quick look at the authority record I would say it is because the 670 includes the form "George Fraser Black" indicating that "George Fraser Black" is used somewhere;since RDA allows you to take the form of the name from other sources besides the t.p. and because the email instructions, "Summary of Programmatic Changes to the LC/NACO Authority File" dated July 30, 2012. RDA-trained PCC catalogers encountering a name authority record (NAR) with this 667 field should evaluate the 1XX field, and the remainder of the authority record. If the evaluation determines that the existing 1XX field can be used under RDA as given, the cataloger should remove the 667 field, add any additional non-heading fields, and re-code the record to RDA. If the evaluation determines that the existing 1XX needs to be updated to be made acceptable for use under RDA, the cataloger should revise the heading, make a reference from the former heading when applicable, remove the 667 field, add any additional non-heading fields of their choosing, and re-code the record to RDA. " I interpret the instructions that it is better to retain a 1xx if the form of the name is justified in a 670. There certainly are works with "by George Fraser Black". I think it would have been better to have added a second 670 with the other form from the t.p. but can understand why the cataloger did not add one. Mary L. Mastraccio ALA-ALCTS-CaMMS Past-Chair Cataloging & Authorities Manager MARCIVE, Inc. San Antonio, TX 78265 1-800-531-7678 This email message and any files transmitted with it are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law.� Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by anyone other than the intended individual or entity is prohibited without prior approval.� If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender immediately.