Paul.  One of the NARs SARS documents is showing up with oct 15th date. 

Becky Culbertson


On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:20 AM, "Frank, Paul" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Richard,

 

It is actually a long-standing NACO Program guideline that is still applicable in the RDA transition period:

 

Unless there is a clear error in a 1XX, leave the 1XX alone to minimize the amount of bibliographic file maintenance in library catalogs.

 

The scope of 1XX "errors" is wider now because of RDA instructions, but the basic NACO Program guideline to avoid 1XX changes if at all possible remains the same.   

 

So, a couple of examples of "leave the 1XX alone" at the time of re-coding to RDA:

 

1) AACR2 heading without a birth date, but the date was subsequently discovered (e.g., recorded in a 670)  :  accept the heading as RDA -- do not add that birth date to the 1XX. (You could add the date(s) to the 046 field however);

 

2) AACR2 heading with a fuller form of name in $q that would not be required under RDA (no conflict) : accept the heading as RDA -- leave the subfield $q in the 1XX.

 

About the 50 Cent $c (Musician) record (no2003002159):

 

The AACR2 1XX was 50 Cent ǂc (Musician) at the time Chuck (or someone else at Carnegie) established the heading on Jan. 9, 2003.

 

Based on the NACO guideline to leave the 1XX alone unless it is incorrect, and on RDA 9.2.2.21 and RDA 9.19.1.2, the AACR2 1XX 50 Cent ǂc (Musician) is acceptable under RDA, and no 1XX change is necessary at the time of the re-coding.

 

Paul

 

Paul Frank

Cooperative Programs Section

Cooperative and Instructional Programs Division

Library of Congress

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Washington, DC 20540-4230

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Moore, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:06 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names

 

It would. I'm sure there is an LC guideline that says 1XX should not be altered in RDA review, if the construction is acceptable in RDA. So neither should the qualifier be changed, nor a date be added. perhaps Paul can confirm, as I can't lay my hands on the link at this moment (it's 7 a.m. here and I have not yet had my first cup of tea).

 

Regards

Richard

 

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Richard Moore

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The British Library

                                                                       

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hostage
Sent: 19 February 2013 21:17
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names

Wouldn’t the heading for 50 Cent be considered RDA “acceptable” as is?  Moreover, in today’s multicultural world, it’s getting harder and harder to say what does or does not convey the idea of a person.

 

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From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 15:14
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names

 

    This should have been qualified with (Rapper or Rap musician) to begin with.  (It’s my record, so I can say what I want about it!)  However, if he can now be considered “entrepreneur, investor and actor” as well, then my third alternative below is probably the best one. The first version of the AR looked like this:

 

010  no2003002159

040  PPi-MA ǂb eng ǂc PPi-MA

1000 50 Cent ǂc (Musician)

4000 Fifty Cent ǂc (Musician)

4001 Jackson, C. ǂq (Curtis)

4001 Jackson, Curtis

670  Music from and inspired by the motion picture 8 mile [SR] p2002: ǂb container (50 Cent) insert (C. Jackson)

670  All music guide WWW site, Jan. 8, 2003 ǂb (50 Cent; b. Curtis Jackson, Queens, NY; rapper)

670  OCLC database, Jan. 8, 2003 ǂb (hdgs.: 50 Cent (Musician); 50 Cent, rapper)

 

     More worrisome is what to do in upgrading this to RDA.  There are almost too many possibilities:

 

50 Cent ǂc (Rapper)

50 Cent ǂc (Rapper), ǂd 1975-

50 Cent, ǂd 1975-

 

     I think we’ve established, mainly though Richard Moore’s thoughtful statements, that $c would precede $d.  But the question remains: with a birth date clearly identifying “50 Cent” as a person, is the additional of Occupation even necessary:

 

010  no 00088820

040  RPB-M ǂb eng ǂc RPB-M ǂd PPi-MA ǂd DLC ǂe rda ǂd ICrlF

046  ǂf 1971

1000 Chali 2na, ǂd 1971-

372  Music industry

373  Jurassic 5

374  Rapper

375  male

377  eng

4000 Chali2na, ǂd 1971-

4001 2na, Chali

4000 Chali2na ǂc (Musician)

4001 Stewart, Charles, ǂd 1971-

4001 Tuna, Charlie

4000 Chali 2na ǂc (Musician) ǂw nnea

 

I haven’t been consistent myself.  I’d like to be, going forward at least. 

 

Chuck Herrold

Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh

 

 

 

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gonzalez, Carolyn S
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:23 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names

 

 

Should 50 Cent be qualified by (Rapper) rather than by (Musician)?  Wikipedia lists 50 Cent as being a rapper, entrepreneur, investor and actor.  (My staff have been debating this for the last 15 minutes.)

 

Are these qualifications up for discussion? 

 

Thanks,

Carolyn Gonzalez

Head of Technical Services

Sueltenfuss Library

Our Lady of the Lake University

411 SW 24th St

San Antonio, TX  78249

 

(210) 434-6711 x8165

 

From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark K. Ehlert
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names

 

Herrold, Charles <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

   I’ve done one somewhat like this—not very tidy—and perhaps incorrectly:

 

1000 KJ-52 ǂc (Rapper), ǂd 1975-  [changed from KJ52 (Rapper)]


A question on this point came up during our RDA in NACO training in November.  Here's the question I posed to Paul Frank along with his response:

5. Additions made to names that do not evoke "person-ness": since LC-PCC PS 9.19.1.3 asks for birth/death dates in personal name access points regardless of conflict, it seems this is also expected for those names that require Profession/Occupation element data to clarify the person-ness of someone (RDA 9.19.1.2).  Following this, we would then have:

 100 0- 50 Cent $c (Musician), $d 1975-

Is this correct?

PF: Yes, this is correct.

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