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Not all other changes. RDA is imposing new rules for $c data, new rules for expressing dates (no more b., d., ca. ...), new rules for uniform titles ($k Selections before $l [language], spelling out arr.), etc., and those will impose lots of changes on existing headings. Many will be in the 400K LCNAF revisions coming in the next month or so. Stephen On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Stanley Elswick - NOAA Federal <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Paul, > > I am glad you reiterated that principle. I have seen a lot of headings > change over the past few years that did not require a change to make them > unique or to fix an error. > > We can still add a death date to an existing heading, but all other changes > to a heading without an error or conflict with another heading should not be > made, right? > > Stanley > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Frank, Paul <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Richard, >> >> >> >> It is actually a long-standing NACO Program guideline that is still >> applicable in the RDA transition period: >> >> >> >> Unless there is a clear error in a 1XX, leave the 1XX alone to minimize >> the amount of bibliographic file maintenance in library catalogs. >> >> >> >> The scope of 1XX "errors" is wider now because of RDA instructions, but >> the basic NACO Program guideline to avoid 1XX changes if at all possible >> remains the same. >> >> >> >> So, a couple of examples of "leave the 1XX alone" at the time of re-coding >> to RDA: >> >> >> >> 1) AACR2 heading without a birth date, but the date was subsequently >> discovered (e.g., recorded in a 670) : accept the heading as RDA -- do not >> add that birth date to the 1XX. (You could add the date(s) to the 046 field >> however); >> >> >> >> 2) AACR2 heading with a fuller form of name in $q that would not be >> required under RDA (no conflict) : accept the heading as RDA -- leave the >> subfield $q in the 1XX. >> >> >> >> About the 50 Cent $c (Musician) record (no2003002159): >> >> >> >> The AACR2 1XX was 50 Cent ǂc (Musician) at the time Chuck (or someone else >> at Carnegie) established the heading on Jan. 9, 2003. >> >> >> >> Based on the NACO guideline to leave the 1XX alone unless it is incorrect, >> and on RDA 9.2.2.21 and RDA 9.19.1.2, the AACR2 1XX 50 Cent ǂc (Musician) is >> acceptable under RDA, and no 1XX change is necessary at the time of the >> re-coding. >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> Paul Frank >> >> Cooperative Programs Section >> >> Cooperative and Instructional Programs Division >> >> Library of Congress >> >> 101 Independence Ave., SE >> >> Washington, DC 20540-4230 >> >> 202-707-1570 >> >> [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> On Behalf Of Moore, Richard >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:06 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names >> >> >> >> It would. I'm sure there is an LC guideline that says 1XX should not be >> altered in RDA review, if the construction is acceptable in RDA. So neither >> should the qualifier be changed, nor a date be added. perhaps Paul can >> confirm, as I can't lay my hands on the link at this moment (it's 7 a.m. >> here and I have not yet had my first cup of tea). >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Richard >> >> >> >> _________________________ >> >> Richard Moore >> >> Authority Control Team Manager >> >> The British Library >> >> >> >> Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806 >> >> E-mail: [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> On Behalf Of John Hostage >> Sent: 19 February 2013 21:17 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names >> >> Wouldn’t the heading for 50 Cent be considered RDA “acceptable” as is? >> Moreover, in today’s multicultural world, it’s getting harder and harder to >> say what does or does not convey the idea of a person. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> >> John Hostage >> >> Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian >> >> Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services >> >> Langdell Hall 194 >> >> Cambridge, MA 02138 >> >> [log in to unmask] >> >> +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) >> >> +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) >> >> >> >> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles >> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 15:14 >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names >> >> >> >> This should have been qualified with (Rapper or Rap musician) to begin >> with. (It’s my record, so I can say what I want about it!) However, if he >> can now be considered “entrepreneur, investor and actor” as well, then my >> third alternative below is probably the best one. The first version of the >> AR looked like this: >> >> >> >> 010 no2003002159 >> >> 040 PPi-MA ǂb eng ǂc PPi-MA >> >> 1000 50 Cent ǂc (Musician) >> >> 4000 Fifty Cent ǂc (Musician) >> >> 4001 Jackson, C. ǂq (Curtis) >> >> 4001 Jackson, Curtis >> >> 670 Music from and inspired by the motion picture 8 mile [SR] p2002: ǂb >> container (50 Cent) insert (C. Jackson) >> >> 670 All music guide WWW site, Jan. 8, 2003 ǂb (50 Cent; b. Curtis >> Jackson, Queens, NY; rapper) >> >> 670 OCLC database, Jan. 8, 2003 ǂb (hdgs.: 50 Cent (Musician); 50 Cent, >> rapper) >> >> >> >> More worrisome is what to do in upgrading this to RDA. There are >> almost too many possibilities: >> >> >> >> 50 Cent ǂc (Rapper) >> >> 50 Cent ǂc (Rapper), ǂd 1975- >> >> 50 Cent, ǂd 1975- >> >> >> >> I think we’ve established, mainly though Richard Moore’s thoughtful >> statements, that $c would precede $d. But the question remains: with a >> birth date clearly identifying “50 Cent” as a person, is the additional of >> Occupation even necessary: >> >> >> >> 010 no 00088820 >> >> 040 RPB-M ǂb eng ǂc RPB-M ǂd PPi-MA ǂd DLC ǂe rda ǂd ICrlF >> >> 046 ǂf 1971 >> >> 1000 Chali 2na, ǂd 1971- >> >> 372 Music industry >> >> 373 Jurassic 5 >> >> 374 Rapper >> >> 375 male >> >> 377 eng >> >> 4000 Chali2na, ǂd 1971- >> >> 4001 2na, Chali >> >> 4000 Chali2na ǂc (Musician) >> >> 4001 Stewart, Charles, ǂd 1971- >> >> 4001 Tuna, Charlie >> >> 4000 Chali 2na ǂc (Musician) ǂw nnea >> >> >> >> I haven’t been consistent myself. I’d like to be, going forward at least. >> >> >> >> Chuck Herrold >> >> Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> On Behalf Of Gonzalez, Carolyn S >> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:23 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names >> >> >> >> >> >> Should 50 Cent be qualified by (Rapper) rather than by (Musician)? >> Wikipedia lists 50 Cent as being a rapper, entrepreneur, investor and actor. >> (My staff have been debating this for the last 15 minutes.) >> >> >> >> Are these qualifications up for discussion? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Carolyn Gonzalez >> >> Head of Technical Services >> >> Sueltenfuss Library >> >> Our Lady of the Lake University >> >> 411 SW 24th St >> >> San Antonio, TX 78249 >> >> >> >> (210) 434-6711 x8165 >> >> >> >> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> On Behalf Of Mark K. Ehlert >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 9:21 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] Order of subfields in RDA NARs for personal names >> >> >> >> Herrold, Charles <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> I’ve done one somewhat like this—not very tidy—and perhaps incorrectly: >> >> >> >> 1000 KJ-52 ǂc (Rapper), ǂd 1975- [changed from KJ52 (Rapper)] >> >> >> A question on this point came up during our RDA in NACO training in >> November. Here's the question I posed to Paul Frank along with his >> response: >> >> 5. Additions made to names that do not evoke "person-ness": since LC-PCC >> PS 9.19.1.3 asks for birth/death dates in personal name access points >> regardless of conflict, it seems this is also expected for those names that >> require Profession/Occupation element data to clarify the person-ness of >> someone (RDA 9.19.1.2). Following this, we would then have: >> >> 100 0- 50 Cent $c (Musician), $d 1975- >> >> Is this correct? >> >> PF: Yes, this is correct. >> >> -- >> Mark K. 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