I agree with Richard.  I have seen quite a bit of this recently with Ampex
456.  And it does make a real mess.  I am also finding BASF and AGFA doing
this too.  They all appear to be slightly too wide for the tape path.

I have been baking for much longer periods also, 3 days would be normal for
me now.

Good luck.


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Richard L. Hess <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Hi, Curtis,
> I've been baking longer, but edge shedding as you describe is common if
> the tape is slit a bit wide (hard to measure, but that is why the event is
> so random--it might be one reel out of a jumbo roll where the slitting
> blades were mis-adjusted).
> I don't think 24 hours (my norm these days) would show a difference as I
> saw this off some 1/2-inch 456 just recently, but it was only the edge.
> It is frightening, but I'd just vacuum up the little hairs and be done
> with it. Remember, those are about a mil wide and you're dealing with
> nominally 82-mil (minimum spec'd is 75 mil from Ampex) track width that
> doesn't even go completely to the edge, so you probably don't have any
> sound on the little hairs. (I did want to write "hares" in honour of the
> season. <smile>)
> I would check for debris in the corners of the guides (where the face
> meets the top and bottom caps) which can exacerbate this hair-shred but,
> overall, if it's coming just from the edges, I think you're safe.
> I see 456 doing this more (though I've seen it more on 1/2-inch than
> 1/4-inch). It has also happened on Agfa and BASF, but not regularly.
> I don't have this variant specifically listed, but you might find this
> resource of use:
> magnetic-tapes/analog-audio/**degrading-tapes/<>
> Good luck!
> Cheers,
> Richard
> On 2013-04-01 12:10 PM, Peoples, Curtis wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>> I believe the tape is Ampex 456, not positive though. The studio
>> generally bought Ampex 456 tape. It is a ten inch, quarter inch reel (two
>> track master recording). For this collection, we bake 8 hours at 130
>> degrees. We have found this to be a suitable process for this collection.
>>  The shredding appears to be from the edges. We are transferring on a
>> relatively new Otari MX 5050. The machine was cleaned so I don't have pics
>> of the shred. They are usually about 3 inches long before breaking and are
>> about the thickness of fine hair.
>> Best,
>> Curtis
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>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sticky SHRED
>> Hi, Curtis,
>> Please provide specifics as to type of tape, width, reel type, baking
>> process and duration.
>> Also photographs are really useful.
>> Is the shredding from the edges only or across the entire width of the
>> tape?
>> What is the playback machine?
>> Cheers,
>> Richard
>> On 2013-04-01 10:35 AM, Peoples, Curtis wrote:
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> We have a collection of tapes that have sticky shed and we are baking
>>> and transferring them. Things are going as planned except for one tape. It
>>> is shredding into fine hair like stands. I thought it needed to be baked
>>> longer so I baked it a second time. Same problem. I have seen tape shed
>>> before and this looks different.
>>> Any help identifying the problem is greatly appreciated.
>>> Best,
>>> Curtis L. Peoples, Ph.D.
>>> Associate Archivist, Crossroads Music Archive,
>>> >
>>> Unit Head, Crossroads Recording Studio,
>>> Director, TTU Americana Ensemble,
>>> http://ttuamericanaensemble.**<>
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