I might have mentioned this previously, but Amazon also puts all the tunes you've purchased into 
availability for the Cloud Player. I was really impressed at what they put in my Cloud library, 
stuff I had ordered a decade ago and farther back. Thousands of tunes. It turns out to be a great 
app when I'm stuck someplace with wifi like a doctor's office or an airport, and it's unbeatable for 
hotels and the like. It was also great recently when I was visiting a friend and we got to talking 
about some music he hadn't heard before. I remembered it was in my Amazon Cloud library so we just 
plugged my iPad into the stereo and streamed the tunes. I don't do the "smartphone" thing, but if 
you have an iPhone, all of that can fly from the cloud thru your cell network, so it's available 
anywhere. Apple has a similar thing but I've bought way more music from Amazon.

Bottom line, I think the record companies have pretty much cried uncle with the big retailers. 
They're so desperate to get revenues, they're not going to fight the likes of Amazon and Apple. The 
irony is, the Amazon Cloud Player is almost identical to what got sued out of business 
about. The model was, you inserted a CD into your computer and would then make 
available to you those tunes, pre-ripped. I never saw the sense of it but some people didn't have 
the geek skills to rip CD to MP3 back in those days. I think the wrinkle with Amazon and Apple cloud 
players is the streaming, but I don't see how it's any different since both seem to be fair use of a 
CD you've bought.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Auto rip

> What's important about this is that it's being offered through Amazon.
> As a seller on Amazon, I'm aware of how tightly run a ship it is from a
> legal standpoint.
> The implication is that what some of us have been doing has made it past
> their legal team- if a customer owns it, even if it's just been purchased
> and still on the seller's premises, that it is legal to make a copy of what
> is now his recording for him.
> Steve Smolian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger Kulp
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:11 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Auto rip
> It's nothing new.For a number of years now,labels or artists themselves had
> been including free download codes inside of vinyl records. Roger > Date:
> Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:34:37 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject:
> [ARSCLIST] Auto rip> To: [log in to unmask]> > Has anyone noticed
> that Amazon now offers MP3 files free if you buy certain vinyl LPs?  It's
> called "autorip."  (sounds like a chopshop.)  > > Steve Smolian
> =