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Doesn't surprise me. There's lots of gray-market stuff available at Amazon and also iTunes. For 
instance, what is "Hallmark Music" and do they really have a right to reissue the same 78RPM sides 
that Sony seems to own (Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, etc)? Also "Hallmark" seems to put out dubs 
of old Columbia jazz LPs. I've wondered why Sony doesn't sue them and others who peddle on Amazon 
and iTunes. What about the gray-market jazz reissuers who take Mosaic sets and break them into 
original LP sequence. Many are based in Majorca (sp?) and other countries with very liberal 
copyright laws. Can their products also be sold in the US and UK and other places with stricter 
copyright laws?

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Bishop" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Auto rip


> One reissue label I know found their (vinyl-only) albums being sold through
> as downloads through Amazon by a third-party seller with no affiliation to
> the label and no permission to do this. Maybe these kinds of sellers claim
> they have the license, but I don't think Amazon verifies this. Amazon only
> removed the albums when the label filed a complaint.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> I might have mentioned this previously, but Amazon also puts all the tunes
>> you've purchased into availability for the Cloud Player. I was really
>> impressed at what they put in my Cloud library, stuff I had ordered a
>> decade ago and farther back. Thousands of tunes. It turns out to be a great
>> app when I'm stuck someplace with wifi like a doctor's office or an
>> airport, and it's unbeatable for hotels and the like. It was also great
>> recently when I was visiting a friend and we got to talking about some
>> music he hadn't heard before. I remembered it was in my Amazon Cloud
>> library so we just plugged my iPad into the stereo and streamed the tunes.
>> I don't do the "smartphone" thing, but if you have an iPhone, all of that
>> can fly from the cloud thru your cell network, so it's available anywhere.
>> Apple has a similar thing but I've bought way more music from Amazon.
>>
>> Bottom line, I think the record companies have pretty much cried uncle
>> with the big retailers. They're so desperate to get revenues, they're not
>> going to fight the likes of Amazon and Apple. The irony is, the Amazon
>> Cloud Player is almost identical to what MP3.com got sued out of business
>> about. The MP3.com model was, you inserted a CD into your computer and
>> MP3.com would then make available to you those tunes, pre-ripped. I never
>> saw the sense of it but some people didn't have the geek skills to rip CD
>> to MP3 back in those days. I think the wrinkle with Amazon and Apple cloud
>> players is the streaming, but I don't see how it's any different since both
>> seem to be fair use of a CD you've bought.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:09 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Auto rip
>>
>>
>>  What's important about this is that it's being offered through Amazon.
>>>
>>> As a seller on Amazon, I'm aware of how tightly run a ship it is from a
>>> legal standpoint.
>>>
>>> The implication is that what some of us have been doing has made it past
>>> their legal team- if a customer owns it, even if it's just been purchased
>>> and still on the seller's premises, that it is legal to make a copy of
>>> what
>>> is now his recording for him.
>>>
>>> Steve Smolian
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]**GOV <[log in to unmask]>] On
>>> Behalf Of Roger Kulp
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:11 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Auto rip
>>>
>>> It's nothing new.For a number of years now,labels or artists themselves
>>> had
>>> been including free download codes inside of vinyl records. Roger > Date:
>>> Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:34:37 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject:
>>> [ARSCLIST] Auto rip> To: [log in to unmask]> > Has anyone noticed
>>> that Amazon now offers MP3 files free if you buy certain vinyl LPs?  It's
>>> called "autorip."  (sounds like a chopshop.)  > > Steve Smolian
>>> =
>>>
>>>
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