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> This is a note on the attempts to treat "publisher" as a corporate body
> rather than or in addition to a transcribed string
-- "In addition to" would be a better characterization.

> what is
> transcribed may not represent a corporation but an imprint -- which is
> essentially a product line. (Think "iPod" vs. "Apple".) As an example,
> Vintage Books [1] was an imprint of Knopf but now is an imprint of
> Random House.
-- True, but the main idea under consideration is finding a way to accommodate the transcription of this information while simultaneously associating that transcribed entry with a controlled entity.  Now, it may not always be possible to associate the transcribed entity (the "imprint" in your example) with a controlled entity, but the design being proposed could nevertheless accommodate such an association.  We don't want to simply restrict ourselves to what is possible now.  FWIW, Vintage Books is taken care of [1], though it does not record all the corporate history you noted.

Yours,
Kevin


[1] http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n83329123


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> Subject: Re: [BIBFRAME] BIBFRAME Authority - publisher as authority
> 
> This is a note on the attempts to treat "publisher" as a corporate body
> rather than or in addition to a transcribed string -- what is
> transcribed may not represent a corporation but an imprint -- which is
> essentially a product line. (Think "iPod" vs. "Apple".) As an example,
> Vintage Books [1] was an imprint of Knopf but now is an imprint of
> Random House. It has, to my knowledge, never been a corporate entity on
> its own. This is an issue that will be devilish to solve, something
> along the lines of title changes in serial publications, and perhaps
> one that should be deferred at the moment? (Note that there are times
> when the publisher prefix of the ISBN is a better indicator of a
> corporate body than the title page, but, oh boy, the vagaries around
> ISBN use are a whole 'nother complication!)
> 
> kc
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vintage_Books
> On 5/10/13 2:38 PM, McCallum, Sally wrote:
> Here is another part of the BIBFRAME pie to stimulate discussion and
> questions for the community to consider, On BIBFRAME Authority.  This
> issue paper concerns the Authorities concept in the BIBFRAME model
> paper.   This paper clarifies what the model document says about the
> Authority part of the model and invites discussion.
> 
> http://bibframe.org/documentation/bibframe-authority/
> 
> Again it is helpful if when discussing this paper, you name your
> listserv comment with the topic  plus  an extra title to bind threads,
> e.g., "authority--main point".
> 
> Looking forward to your comments,  Sally
> 
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