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Is URI to Wikipedia an example of this.
Not 100% authoritative but has a lot of stuff not in today's authority files.

Thanks,
Shlomo

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On 5/14/13 2:34 PM, Ford, Kevin wrote:



what is

transcribed may not represent a corporation but an imprint -- which is

essentially a product line. (Think "iPod" vs. "Apple".) As an example,

Vintage Books [1] was an imprint of Knopf but now is an imprint of

Random House.

-- True, but the main idea under consideration is finding a way to accommodate the transcription of this information while simultaneously associating that transcribed entry with a controlled entity.

Yes, as long as it is expected that the "controlled entity" is not controlled by the cataloging rules nor the authority file. Various systems have made use of publisher statements, sometimes in combination with the ISBN publisher numbers, but I would normally see this as outside of what cataloging calls "authority control." I believe that in many areas we will be trying to develop more precise linkages to what today is textual data, but we shouldn't confuse that with "authority control". Those are definitely different things.

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FWIW, Vintage Books is taken care of [1], though it does not record all the corporate history you noted. Yours, Kevin

[1] http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n83329123
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That is in the authority file because Vintage is the "author" of a series.
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 |a Burns, James MacGregor.  |t American experiment (Vintage Books (Firm)) ;  |v v. 1.


It's a fairly unusual case, and I'm not sure that it's a common practice. Most publishers' series do not get such entries. I'd consider this one a fluke.

kc




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This is a note on the attempts to treat "publisher" as a corporate body

rather than or in addition to a transcribed string -- what is

transcribed may not represent a corporation but an imprint -- which is

essentially a product line. (Think "iPod" vs. "Apple".) As an example,

Vintage Books [1] was an imprint of Knopf but now is an imprint of

Random House. It has, to my knowledge, never been a corporate entity on

its own. This is an issue that will be devilish to solve, something

along the lines of title changes in serial publications, and perhaps

one that should be deferred at the moment? (Note that there are times

when the publisher prefix of the ISBN is a better indicator of a

corporate body than the title page, but, oh boy, the vagaries around

ISBN use are a whole 'nother complication!)



kc

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vintage_Books

On 5/10/13 2:38 PM, McCallum, Sally wrote:

Here is another part of the BIBFRAME pie to stimulate discussion and

questions for the community to consider, On BIBFRAME Authority.  This

issue paper concerns the Authorities concept in the BIBFRAME model

paper.   This paper clarifies what the model document says about the

Authority part of the model and invites discussion.



http://bibframe.org/documentation/bibframe-authority/



Again it is helpful if when discussing this paper, you name your

listserv comment with the topic  plus  an extra title to bind threads,

e.g., "authority--main point".



Looking forward to your comments,  Sally





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