Yep. Fun to see and hear it again. Thanks, all.


On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Jonathan Wise wrote:

Hi Donald,

Were you perhaps referring to Thames Television's logo music?

A touchstone of my youth in Bristol during the 1970's!

Happy 4th of July!


Jonathan Wise
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Themes Television's logo music may be found online by googling 'Themes Television's logo music'.

Don Chichester

In a message dated 7/4/2013 7:42:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> writes:

Thank  you for all that, Chris. I don't watch much TV nowadays, but living in England  until 1998 I enjoyed a lot of it. I enjoyed American programs too, broadcast  in Britain, and was amused by the way the writing fell into

segments: you  could tell where the commercial breaks were in the USA even though the ads  themselves were missing. American network TV is written around the adverts! In  the mid-1980s I was living in southwest London; I wish I had a recording of  Themes Television's logo music.

I didn't know  about the archive problem. Of course it stands to reason - nobody invests in  broadcasting as a public service, any more than politicians serve because it  is their duty.

Donald Clarke

On Jul 4, 2013, at 5:00 AM, Chris  J Brady wrote:

However the other disaster in the making which endures  today is that the archives of these ITV companies were never consolidated into  any one place.

As the companies lost / gained / traded their franchises their  archives were scattered far and wide. Indeed many defining programmes were  simply wiped or junked - much like the BBC did with its own programmes.

It was only through the private off-air recording of early enthusiasts such as Bob Monkhouse that many of these programmes were 'saved' albeit still locked away in vaults and never made available, but at least hopefully to be  preserved.

BSkyeB's archives are a case in point. Most programmes were  lost from the early days. Now there is a world-wide search for what  remains.

Anglia TV made a name for itself with it documentaries and  nature programmes. It lost its franchise, the archives were lost  too.

Luckily many t.v. and radio programmes in the 1960s onwards were home-taped and are now appearing on torrent sites.

But even now the BBC  is not really interested in its archives especially for genre such as folk  music and song.

I personally have the only off-air recordings of many  defining folk programmes from the 1960/70s, e.g. Folkweave and London Folk  Song Cellar. We know that the masters have all been dumped. The BBC doesn't  want them. The BL Sound Archives aren't interested. Even the folk scene isn't  interested. So how do I get the material back into the public domain? I can't.  So the recordings will eventually get dumped anyway.

However there is  one shining light in the whole sorry mess - the Pirate Radios of the 1960/70s,  e.g. Radio London, Radio Caroline, even such as Radio Sutch, et al. Archival  recordings are tracked down, processed, and uploaded to a huge data store by  true enthusiasts - and this is available to the public.


---  On Wed, 3/7/13, Donald Clarke <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

> From: Donald Clarke <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>

> Subject: Re:  [ARSCLIST] Folk Music in America

> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>

> Date: Wednesday, 3 July, 2013, 17:27

> Independent commercial television  in

> Britain was very good, because it had to compete with the  BBC; the

> people who owned it described it as a license to print money:  somehow

> they made good programs without garish commercial intrusion  every 15

> minutes, as in this country.

> Then Mrs Thatcher put it all out  to bid and the result was a

> disaster. The people who gobbled it up  spent so much money outbiding

> each other that they had no money to  make programs. It took them a

> decade to recover, if they ever  did. I was a fan of Thatcher's

> government, but she made mistakes, and  that was one of them. The

> people who bid to buy airwaves will do so  only because they think

> they'll make money.


> DC