Right Arm, Lady! (that was supposed to be, "Right On", but if it works....) ________________________________ From: Shai Drori <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The end of Windows XP? So What !!! Hi everyone I switched to xp early on and most of the platforms here are on it (except for one win98se and 2 win 7). I don't see any reason to make a switch on the ones running XP. Most of them have no INTERNET on them anyway and I do not connect USB dongles to them so they should be safe. If it ain't baroque, don't fix it. Shai בתאריך 17/07/13 5:44 PM, ציטוט Tom Fine: > Hi Carl: > > For most corporate everyday tasks, there was enough user interface and computing power back with Windows 2000 (an update of WinNT that brought the user interface in line with Win98, and improved many things). Most of that power was brought into WinXP for home users, and XP Pro continued the improvements for corporate users. So for most of us, there is no reason except forced obsolesence to "upgrade" any further. In my opinion, only someone with more money than brains runs out and gets every "upgrade." There is now a long history of lardware, "feature-creep" and ill-conceived "reinvent the wheel" disasters (like Windows 8, for instance). If something works well, the wise man sticks with it until he's absolutely sure that something better has finally come down the pike. Newer <> better. > > In a business setting, IT budgets are basically massive cost centers unless they are directly improving productivity and allowing machines to take over work done by people. So, needless "upgrades" and needless hours wasted re-training people on new software direct impacts the bottom line. In small businesses like mine, it's money directly out of my pocket, twice (once to buy the un-needed "upgrade" and once to use non-billable hours trying to figure it out). > > BTW, I didn't switch to XP until it was up to SP3. Win2K was serving my needs just fine. By SP3, XP was clearly a superior operating environment and could be tuned to look and act almost exactly like Win2K with some ease-of-use improvements. > > -- Tom Fine > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Pultz" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The end of Windows XP? So What !!! > > >> It's surprising how much mission critical corporate infrastructure runs on >> old platforms. When I was a tech at an IBM data center ten years ago, there >> was tons of old junk running monitoring and disaster-recovery systems for >> big corps, with whining hard drives and irreplaceable hardware - disasters >> waiting to happen. I was amazed at the willingness of managers to roll the >> dice at that level with that much wealth on the line. I doubt that has >> changed, though older PC gear is much more capable now than what was old >> then. >> >> Anyway, for small shops it is reasonable to run old stuff isolated so long >> as you don't create more hassle with that than the effort of upgrades. Keep >> a close eye on the HW and the 'restorablility' of your old box. Keep system >> images, compatible maintenance utilities, and spare parts on hand. If you >> are only going to play in your own sandbox, that's fine. If you need skills >> that are portable, or you need to interoperate with other environments or >> people who have moved on, then it's good to stay conversant with newer >> formats, interfaces, and standards. Unlike tape machines, there isn't >> usually anything endearingly better about older computer gear, and upgrades >> are deductible business expenses. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dan Nelson >> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 11:59 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The end of Windows XP? So What !!! >> >> So what if MS stops security updates for XP..... >> I have xp pro running on all of my stand alone audio work stations... none >> of them are on line ! >> Just like 10's of thousand corporate computers are running XP isolated from >> the internet as long as XP runs the existing internal programs MS dropping >> support doesnt matter. >> My work stations are running Intel I3 with 8 gigs of ram .... more than xp >> knows what to do with but they run 12-18 hours a day and never blink. >> Just run XP off line and save the hassel of finding replacement programs . >> dnward >> Beautiful Music you will never forget, at; >> http://www.americanbeautiful.podbean.com/ >> >> > -- בברכה, שי דרורי מומחה לשימור והמרה של אודיו וידאו וסרטים 8-35 ממ.