Stephen I think it's OK to use Karlag (Concentration Camp) in 370. I have an email from Dave Reser (who I hope won't mind my taking his name in vain) from February 2012, during the course of a discussion of 370 and non-jurisdictional place names, in which he says: "We agree that not all 'places' are jurisdictions-- one of the first records our RDA catalogers needed to do was for someone born in the Auschwitz Concentation Camp-- caused us to reach the conclusion about 'places' defined rather broadly right away." I note that "Auschwitz"(Concentration Camp)" now occurs in 370 in 6 NARs: n 90611635 n 2010072606 n 2010066815 n 2012073694 n 2002055629 n 80058472 On the basis of these discussions, and examples raised by our cataloguers, we included the following in the BL Guide to RDA Name Authority Records: "New Data Elements 370 - Associated Places Associated Place - General [...] Often, non-jurisdictional "places" are tagged by NACO convention as corporate bodies. Examples: airports, ships, concentration camps. So in spite of the tagging, if an entity is a place, it may be used in the 370 field. So the authority record for a person born in Auschwitz Concentration Camp may have: 370 |a Auschwitz (Concentration camp) or someone born on an ocean liner might have: 370 |a Queen Mary 2 (Ship)" I think this is one of those cases where the RDA glossary definition needs to be tweaked in the light of experience (as was done for Profession or Occupation). Regards Richard _________________________ Richard Moore Authority Control Team Manager The British Library Tel.: +44 (0)1937 546806 E-mail: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen Hearn Sent: 29 July 2013 23:01 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [PCCLIST] Place of death vs Affiliation We're establishing someone who died in the Karlag concentration camp in Kazakhstan in 1943. Concentration camps are treated as corporate 110 entities by LC, and RDA specifies that a place of death (370 $b) should be a "town, city, province, state, or country." That seems to rule out specifying the camp as the place of death. Affiliation (373 $a) on the other hand is defined more loosely than the name would suggest. My reading is that we could specify (sidestepping the question of the form of name in the 373--in our source it's in Icelandic): 370 $b Kazakhstan 373 $a Karlag (Concentration camp) $t 1943 Still, I'd rather put the camp in 370 $b. The RDA Glossary defines "Place" as "A location identified by a name." Am I reading RDA's enumerated definition of "place of death" too narrowly? Thanks, Stephen -- Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist Technical Services, University Libraries University of Minnesota 160 Wilson Library 309 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55455 Ph: 612-625-2328 Fx: 612-625-3428 ************************************************************************** Experience the British Library online at http://www.bl.uk/ The British Library’s latest Annual Report and Accounts : http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/annrep/index.html Help the British Library conserve the world's knowledge. Adopt a Book. http://www.bl.uk/adoptabook The Library's St Pancras site is WiFi - enabled ************************************************************************* The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the mailto:[log in to unmask] : The contents of this e-mail must not be disclosed or copied without the sender's consent. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the British Library. The British Library does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. ************************************************************************* Think before you print