One thing we’re still getting to grips with is the number of different ways in which the same piece of information can be recorded. For example, the name of a superior body might be recorded as part of a subordinate body’s preferred name (, as an associated institution (11.5) and/or by a relationship to a hierarchical superior (K.4.3). At the moment we are not duplicating in 373 and 510 the name of a superior body that is already recorded in a preferred or variant name under or, partly on the grounds that a “machine” could be programmed to look for it anywhere in the record, but mainly on the grounds of efficiency.


Where K.4.3 is concerned, I agree in principle with the minority view of the Task Group to Formulate or Recommend PCC/NACO RDA Policy on Authority Issues (N-23): “In order to ensure that the machine can reliably and consistently collocate subordinate bodies, the presence of the 510 field is necessary, even if to a human being it appears to be redundant”. However, given the paucity of these relationships currently on the authority file, I found it hard to justify the extra time spent, so we don’t currently do it. I appreciate this is a self-defeating argument…


Affiliation, and Associated Institution, recorded in 373 are a little vague, and it might be useful to have more specific sub-elements and extra MARC subfields (for as long as we are using MARC). These might be for institutions where a person works, institutions where a person studies, etc., but then this too duplicates possible relationships in 510.  


I’d be interested to know how others are approaching this.







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Agreed. Similarly, lots of people are born or die in hospitals, but that's not what we want to name in 370 (or 373).




On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Gary L Strawn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

All this true stuff said, let us not forget that most organizations should be treated as such, and not as places.  (In other words, just because someone works at University X doesn't mean that University X should be in the 370 field—though the place in which University X is located might be.)  To put it all into perspective, here's a fun case which, in all fairness, is probably just simply rather than misconceived.  Alhough (of course!) this 370 isn't supported by information elsewhere in the record, it's still a good guess that the person works here, and wasn't born here:



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I think it’s OK to use Karlag (Concentration Camp) in 370. I have an email from Dave Reser (who I hope won’t mind my taking his name in vain) from  February 2012, during the course of a discussion of 370 and non-jurisdictional place names, in which he says:



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