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Thanks, Mike!  All very interesting examples.


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I think that "roulette records" is a name that Aardvark Records made up
> themselves, not knowing that they have been called "Puzzle Records" for
> at least 112 years.  And also not realizing that there was an actual
> record company Roulette Records  -- and considering its Mafia
> connections, you did not mess with Roulette Records in the 50s and 60s!
>
> I've been looking for my Koenigsberg Patents book that I think shows the
> patent for puzzle discs to get the patent date, but I know I've also
> seen the patent elsewhere.
>
> Here is a youtube of one of the more common ones, actually called Puzzle
> Record, an HMV master seen here on a Victor pressing.
>
> One of the comments mentions a 12-inch acoustical one called The
> Conundrum 35229 which came out in the mid-teens and is described in the
> Victor catalogs as a puzzle record.  Two people here (unfortunately)
> play it on acousical machines.  This is the Victor issue:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozPct-CiZK4
> He gives uop after three of the 4 tracks, but here are all four played
> from the original HMV issue on an EMG, complete with some droll
> comments:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQFvqcvuLJg  He gets all four tracks.
>
> And last but not least, here is the Berliner Puzzle Plate, January 21,
> 1901. I'm not sure if this is the first one, but it shows the use of the
> name Puzzle since 1901.  British Berliner called their records
> "plates".  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaLog1I_4eg
>   I wish he learned how to macro focus his camera so we could see the
> labels.
>
> Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Homokord triple groove record
> From: Timothy Wisniewski <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Mon, August 05, 2013 12:31 pm
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Hello, Mike.
>
> Is there a technical difference between a puzzle record and a roulette
> record? Or is it more of "puzzle record" being a specific genre term vs.
> roulette being a technical/form term for the multiple groove cutting
> process?
>
> Best,
> Tim
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Actually they are called Puzzle Records, not Roulette, and they date
> > back as far as the 1890s with an example on Berliner Records. Over on
> > the facebook "78 rpm records & cylinders fan group" two or three weeks
> > ago we had postings of the labels of about a dozen of these from the
> > collection of Curt Angstman who says he has over 40 of them on 78.
> >
> > Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ellis Burman <[log in to unmask]>
> > > I was first introduced to this concept with Monty Python's "3 sided
> > record"
> > > "Matching Tie and Handkerchief". It had two grooves on one side. Ellis
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Timothy Wisniewski <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > >> I believe these are known as roulette records. The amazing folks at
> > >> Aardvark Record Mastering in Denver can cut one with up to 40 grooves
> > for
> > >> you if you so desire. http://aardvarkmastering.com/specialcuts.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Cthurb <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> There were several variations on this type of record, for example
> horse
> > >>> race and children's stories. I have a few but without knowing the
> > artist
> > >>> I probably could not find any of them. I think most of these were
> from
> > >>> the late 1930s and 1940s Cheryl Thurber
> > > >
> >
> > On Aug 2, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Dan Nelson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> There was a Victor "Novelty Record", with music by Ray Noble I
> > >>>> believe that had 3 grooves inside each other. dnward
> >
> > On Fri, 8/2/13, James Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Many years ago, when I was working for Club 99, I saw a
> > > > > 78rpm record which had 3 sets of grooves on it, and,
> > > > > depending on where you placed the stylus at the outer edge,
> > > > > you would get one of three selections, but you'd never know
> > > > > which selection you would get. I think it was a
> > > > > Homokord. Does anyone have one of those they can spare? I
> > > > > would hope to buy it. I need it as part of an exhibition of
> > > > > vintage sound media and sound equipment.
> > > > > Please ping me offline.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks. Regards, Ben Roth
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Timothy Wisniewski, M.L.I.S.
>
> Visual Materials Archivist
> Alan Mason Chesney Medical Archives
> Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions
> 5801 Smith Avenue, Suite 235
> Baltimore, MD 21209
>



-- 
Timothy Wisniewski, M.L.I.S.

Visual Materials Archivist
Alan Mason Chesney Medical Archives
Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions
5801 Smith Avenue, Suite 235
Baltimore, MD 21209