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Maybe it was just a car backfiring,like the car horns discussed in the  Hermann Abendroth and other recordings in the Ernst Lumpe article. Roger > Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 21:28:43 -0700> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Phonobomb examples?> To: [log in to unmask]> > Wow, that literally is a "phonobomb"!> > Ellis> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Gene Baron <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > > Me again.  There is also the recording of the Beethoven Emperor Concerto> > from WWII with Gieseking as soloist where you can hear bombs or artillery> > during the recording (near the end of the first movement, in my shaky> > memory).  It was released by Varese Sarabande back in the late 70's or so.> > And I think some of the Wanda Landowska Scarlatti records from Paris also> > had some war-related noises (memory even more shaky on this one).> >> > Gene> > [log in to unmask]> >> >> >> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Gene Baron <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> >> > > I think I've got an old one.  I have on various LP and a Nimbus CD (one> > of> > > those Ambisonic ones with the acoustics of an airplane hanger) Giovanni> > > Martinelli's 1927 recording of "O tu che in seno agli angeli" from> > Verdi's> > > La Forza del Destino.  I have always thought I heard a single dog bark> > just> > > after the phrase "morte desio", and now listening to it with headphones,> > I> > > hear two barks -- one during "desio" at about 18 seconds from the> > beginning> > > and the one during the pause at about 20 seconds from the beginning.  If> > > anyone knows this recording and can listen to it, I'd like to hear what> > > people think.> > >> > > Gene> > > [log in to unmask]> > >> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Shai Drori <[log in to unmask]>> > wrote:> > >> > >> I got one.> > >> We were recording a live event that takes place in a synagogue on mount> > >> Zion. It is just across the street from the Dormission Abbey. So here we> > >> are recording these religious Jews singing and praying with the bells> > from> > >> the Abbey going off every hour. And the funny part was that my parter> > was> > >> asked one day how did we get those bell FX to sound so real. Here's a> > link> > >> to the project.> > >> http://www.jewish-music.huji.**ac.il/content/song-dawn<> > http://www.jewish-music.huji.ac.il/content/song-dawn>> > >> Shai> > >> בתאריך 02/08/13 10:31 PM, ציטוט Hooyenga, Susan Marie:> > >>> > >>  Interesting!  I wouldn't have guessed that it could be useful> > >>> information.> > >>>> > >>> Susan> > >>>> > >>> -----Original Message-----> > >>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:> > >>> [log in to unmask]**gov <[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of> > >>> David Lewis> > >>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 3:59 PM> > >>> To: [log in to unmask]> > >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Phonobomb examples?> > >>>> > >>> By RCA he means "Record Corp. of America" not RCA Victor> > >>>> > >>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:57 PM, David Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > >>>> > >>>> from http://www.soundfountain.com/**allegro-royale/catalogue.html<> > http://www.soundfountain.com/allegro-royale/catalogue.html>> > >>>>> > >>>> Documented instances where phonobombs may be used to *identify* a> > >>>> recording:> > >>>>> > >>>> Discussion . . .> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> During the evaluation of certain items of the "RCA" catalogue, the> > >>>> author has found hints which might additionally point for a couple of> > >>>> items to an "East German source" and he prefers to believe in the use> > >>>> of first generation copies of radio tapes in these cases, rather than> > >>>> in the generally accepted version of low-quality tape recorded> > >>>> broadcasts.> > >>>>> > >>>> The Brahms Symphony No. 4 on Royale 1239 ("Berlin Symphony Orchestra /> > >>>> Franz R. Friedl", also on Allegro/Elite 3124, "Dresden State Symphony> > >>>> Orchestra / Fritz Schreiber") is a studio recording of the same sound> > >>>> ambience as in the Haydn No. 94 on Royale 1223 and in some other works> > >>>> in their catalogue. What makes these recordings so interesting is some> > >>>> extraneous noise, clearly audible during certain soft passages in the> > >>>> slow movements, especially when earphones are used. However, this> > >>>> could only be detected in some of the cases when the usually quieter> > >>>> pressings of these performances in their incarnations on Gramophone> > >>>> were inspected. In these cases there are crows of a rooster and sounds> > >>>> of car horns coming in from outside the recording location!> > >>>>> > >>>> It may not be without significance, in this respect, that sounds from> > >>>> car horns also intrude into the recordings of Dvorak's 9th symphony> > >>>> under Pflüger (Urania URLP 7132) as well as into  Abendroth's> > >>>> Beethoven 'Pastorale' from 1950 and into his Tchaikovsky 'Pathétique'> > >>>> from 1952, both issued on Etema. In Schubert's 'Unfinished' on Royale> > >>>> 1220 ("Rome Symphony Orchestra / Dr. Felix Guenther", also on> > >>>> Gramophone 2040, "National Opera Orchestra") there is another car horn> > >>>> finding its way into the recording somewhere in the middle of the> > >>>> first movement, and yet another one can be heard at the very beginning> > >>>> of Franck's Symphony on Royale 1288 ("Berlin Symphony Orchestra /> > >>>> Joseph Balzer", also on Gramophone 2088, "National Opera Orchestra").> > >>>> The peak may be in Haydn's 'Surprise Symphony' on Royale 1223> > >>>> ("Orchestra of the Rome Symphony / Angelo Questa", also on Gramophone> > >>>> 2040, "Varsity Symphony Orchestra"), where a rooster's crow is> > >>>> followed by a car horn and then something like the jingling bells of a> > >>>> tramway, all this at the beginning of the second movement, when> > >>>> Haydn's "surprise" is just about due. This extraneous noise, the> > >>>> rooster's contribution in particular, is a tantalizing facet of these> > >>>> "RCA" items, as this makes them likely to be connected with a very> > >>>> particular, if not unique, recording location. No definite answer can> > >>>> be given as yet to the question of where this location may have been.> > >>>>> > >>>> In this author's opinion the fact of these very faint noises, captured> > >>>> on a tape used for a record production would rule out a mere> > >>>> off-the-air tape as a master in these instances (and many others not> > >>>> "marred" by such extra-musical ornation), because it seems unlikely> > >>>> that such delicate sounds should have been transmitted that clearly by> > >>>> AM or FM broadcasts of those times. Record piracy indisputably is a> > >>>> violation of law. Nevertheless, without a doubt, through this practice> > >>>> a couple of performances have been preserved, which otherwise would be> > >>>> lost for all times. In continuing his research, the author hopes to be> > >>>> able to rely as much on his fellow-collectors'future support as he> > >>>> could in the past. There is still much to do and surely more to> > >>>> discover.> > >>>>> > >>>> forwarded by Uncle Dave Lewis> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:33 PM,  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > >>>>> > >>>>> I recall reading that there are birds twittering on at least one of> > >>>>> Les Paul's great hit records.> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Don> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> In a message dated 8/2/2013 3:30:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > >>>>> [log in to unmask] writes:> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Insect  noises? Like termites munching his Bosendorfer?> > >>>>> I know of one instance  where an artist dubbed in his dog barking> > >>>>> quietly at the beginning of a  piece. he had flubbed the beginning,> > >>>>> stopped, went "Shhh... shh..." to the  dog and began again. Very> > cute.> > >>>>> M> > >>>>>> > >>>>> *******> > >>>>>> > >>>>> On 8/2/2013 4:18  AM, Don Cox wrote:> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 02/08/2013, Donald Clarke  wrote:> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>  Mitch Miller wanted Frank Sinatra to bark like a  dog on one of his> > >>>>>>> later Columbia sides, but he wouldn't do it and  Miller had to get> > >>>>>>> somebody else. A famous recording of  Scheherezade by the> > >>>>>>> Philadelphia Orchestra, transferred from 78s  for the new> > >>>>>>> long-playing record in 1948, had reverb added to it,  using an old> > >>>>>>> piece of tape that had a barking dog on it, and you  could hear> > >>>>>>> that on the finished LP. And there's a few live folk  recordings> > >>>>>>> made outdoors with barkers in the chorus; I've heard  one, but I> > >>>>>>> don't remember what it was. There were fiddlers playing  "The Hot> > >>>>>>> Canary", Leroy Anderson's "The Waltzing Cat"> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>    Rudolf Serkin's version of the Diabelli Variations, recorded at> > >>>>>> his> > >>>>>> home, has insect noises in the background.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> There are many  recordings from Kingsway Hall with audible tube> > >>>>>> trains.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>   Regards> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> --> > >> בברכה,> > >> שי דרורי> > >> מומחה לשימור והמרה של אודיו וידאו וסרטים 8-35 ממ.> > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > Ellis> [log in to unmask]> 818-846-5525