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Wow, that literally is a "phonobomb"!

Ellis

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Gene Baron <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Me again.  There is also the recording of the Beethoven Emperor Concerto
> from WWII with Gieseking as soloist where you can hear bombs or artillery
> during the recording (near the end of the first movement, in my shaky
> memory).  It was released by Varese Sarabande back in the late 70's or so.
> And I think some of the Wanda Landowska Scarlatti records from Paris also
> had some war-related noises (memory even more shaky on this one).
>
> Gene
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> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Gene Baron <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I think I've got an old one.  I have on various LP and a Nimbus CD (one
> of
> > those Ambisonic ones with the acoustics of an airplane hanger) Giovanni
> > Martinelli's 1927 recording of "O tu che in seno agli angeli" from
> Verdi's
> > La Forza del Destino.  I have always thought I heard a single dog bark
> just
> > after the phrase "morte desio", and now listening to it with headphones,
> I
> > hear two barks -- one during "desio" at about 18 seconds from the
> beginning
> > and the one during the pause at about 20 seconds from the beginning.  If
> > anyone knows this recording and can listen to it, I'd like to hear what
> > people think.
> >
> > Gene
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> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Shai Drori <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I got one.
> >> We were recording a live event that takes place in a synagogue on mount
> >> Zion. It is just across the street from the Dormission Abbey. So here we
> >> are recording these religious Jews singing and praying with the bells
> from
> >> the Abbey going off every hour. And the funny part was that my parter
> was
> >> asked one day how did we get those bell FX to sound so real. Here's a
> link
> >> to the project.
> >> http://www.jewish-music.huji.**ac.il/content/song-dawn<
> http://www.jewish-music.huji.ac.il/content/song-dawn>
> >> Shai
> >> בתאריך 02/08/13 10:31 PM, ציטוט Hooyenga, Susan Marie:
> >>
> >>  Interesting!  I wouldn't have guessed that it could be useful
> >>> information.
> >>>
> >>> Susan
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:
> >>> [log in to unmask]**gov <[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of
> >>> David Lewis
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 3:59 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Phonobomb examples?
> >>>
> >>> By RCA he means "Record Corp. of America" not RCA Victor
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:57 PM, David Lewis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> from http://www.soundfountain.com/**allegro-royale/catalogue.html<
> http://www.soundfountain.com/allegro-royale/catalogue.html>
> >>>>
> >>>> Documented instances where phonobombs may be used to *identify* a
> >>>> recording:
> >>>>
> >>>> Discussion . . .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> During the evaluation of certain items of the "RCA" catalogue, the
> >>>> author has found hints which might additionally point for a couple of
> >>>> items to an "East German source" and he prefers to believe in the use
> >>>> of first generation copies of radio tapes in these cases, rather than
> >>>> in the generally accepted version of low-quality tape recorded
> >>>> broadcasts.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Brahms Symphony No. 4 on Royale 1239 ("Berlin Symphony Orchestra /
> >>>> Franz R. Friedl", also on Allegro/Elite 3124, "Dresden State Symphony
> >>>> Orchestra / Fritz Schreiber") is a studio recording of the same sound
> >>>> ambience as in the Haydn No. 94 on Royale 1223 and in some other works
> >>>> in their catalogue. What makes these recordings so interesting is some
> >>>> extraneous noise, clearly audible during certain soft passages in the
> >>>> slow movements, especially when earphones are used. However, this
> >>>> could only be detected in some of the cases when the usually quieter
> >>>> pressings of these performances in their incarnations on Gramophone
> >>>> were inspected. In these cases there are crows of a rooster and sounds
> >>>> of car horns coming in from outside the recording location!
> >>>>
> >>>> It may not be without significance, in this respect, that sounds from
> >>>> car horns also intrude into the recordings of Dvorak's 9th symphony
> >>>> under Pflüger (Urania URLP 7132) as well as into  Abendroth's
> >>>> Beethoven 'Pastorale' from 1950 and into his Tchaikovsky 'Pathétique'
> >>>> from 1952, both issued on Etema. In Schubert's 'Unfinished' on Royale
> >>>> 1220 ("Rome Symphony Orchestra / Dr. Felix Guenther", also on
> >>>> Gramophone 2040, "National Opera Orchestra") there is another car horn
> >>>> finding its way into the recording somewhere in the middle of the
> >>>> first movement, and yet another one can be heard at the very beginning
> >>>> of Franck's Symphony on Royale 1288 ("Berlin Symphony Orchestra /
> >>>> Joseph Balzer", also on Gramophone 2088, "National Opera Orchestra").
> >>>> The peak may be in Haydn's 'Surprise Symphony' on Royale 1223
> >>>> ("Orchestra of the Rome Symphony / Angelo Questa", also on Gramophone
> >>>> 2040, "Varsity Symphony Orchestra"), where a rooster's crow is
> >>>> followed by a car horn and then something like the jingling bells of a
> >>>> tramway, all this at the beginning of the second movement, when
> >>>> Haydn's "surprise" is just about due. This extraneous noise, the
> >>>> rooster's contribution in particular, is a tantalizing facet of these
> >>>> "RCA" items, as this makes them likely to be connected with a very
> >>>> particular, if not unique, recording location. No definite answer can
> >>>> be given as yet to the question of where this location may have been.
> >>>>
> >>>> In this author's opinion the fact of these very faint noises, captured
> >>>> on a tape used for a record production would rule out a mere
> >>>> off-the-air tape as a master in these instances (and many others not
> >>>> "marred" by such extra-musical ornation), because it seems unlikely
> >>>> that such delicate sounds should have been transmitted that clearly by
> >>>> AM or FM broadcasts of those times. Record piracy indisputably is a
> >>>> violation of law. Nevertheless, without a doubt, through this practice
> >>>> a couple of performances have been preserved, which otherwise would be
> >>>> lost for all times. In continuing his research, the author hopes to be
> >>>> able to rely as much on his fellow-collectors'future support as he
> >>>> could in the past. There is still much to do and surely more to
> >>>> discover.
> >>>>
> >>>> forwarded by Uncle Dave Lewis
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:33 PM,  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I recall reading that there are birds twittering on at least one of
> >>>>> Les Paul's great hit records.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a message dated 8/2/2013 3:30:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Insect  noises? Like termites munching his Bosendorfer?
> >>>>> I know of one instance  where an artist dubbed in his dog barking
> >>>>> quietly at the beginning of a  piece. he had flubbed the beginning,
> >>>>> stopped, went "Shhh... shh..." to the  dog and began again. Very
> cute.
> >>>>> M
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *******
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/2/2013 4:18  AM, Don Cox wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 02/08/2013, Donald Clarke  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Mitch Miller wanted Frank Sinatra to bark like a  dog on one of his
> >>>>>>> later Columbia sides, but he wouldn't do it and  Miller had to get
> >>>>>>> somebody else. A famous recording of  Scheherezade by the
> >>>>>>> Philadelphia Orchestra, transferred from 78s  for the new
> >>>>>>> long-playing record in 1948, had reverb added to it,  using an old
> >>>>>>> piece of tape that had a barking dog on it, and you  could hear
> >>>>>>> that on the finished LP. And there's a few live folk  recordings
> >>>>>>> made outdoors with barkers in the chorus; I've heard  one, but I
> >>>>>>> don't remember what it was. There were fiddlers playing  "The Hot
> >>>>>>> Canary", Leroy Anderson's "The Waltzing Cat"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    Rudolf Serkin's version of the Diabelli Variations, recorded at
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>> home, has insect noises in the background.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are many  recordings from Kingsway Hall with audible tube
> >>>>>> trains.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >> --
> >> בברכה,
> >> שי דרורי
> >> מומחה לשימור והמרה של אודיו וידאו וסרטים 8-35 ממ.
> >>
> >
> >
>



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Ellis
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