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Mike,Do you have the actual patent that shows how these records were made?If so,I think we would all be very interested in seeing it. Roger > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:19:02 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Homokord triple groove record> To: [log in to unmask]> > Thanks, Mike!  All very interesting examples.> > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > > I think that "roulette records" is a name that Aardvark Records made up> > themselves, not knowing that they have been called "Puzzle Records" for> > at least 112 years.  And also not realizing that there was an actual> > record company Roulette Records  -- and considering its Mafia> > connections, you did not mess with Roulette Records in the 50s and 60s!> >> > I've been looking for my Koenigsberg Patents book that I think shows the> > patent for puzzle discs to get the patent date, but I know I've also> > seen the patent elsewhere.> >> > Here is a youtube of one of the more common ones, actually called Puzzle> > Record, an HMV master seen here on a Victor pressing.> >> > One of the comments mentions a 12-inch acoustical one called The> > Conundrum 35229 which came out in the mid-teens and is described in the> > Victor catalogs as a puzzle record.  Two people here (unfortunately)> > play it on acousical machines.  This is the Victor issue:> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozPct-CiZK4> > He gives uop after three of the 4 tracks, but here are all four played> > from the original HMV issue on an EMG, complete with some droll> > comments:> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQFvqcvuLJg  He gets all four tracks.> >> > And last but not least, here is the Berliner Puzzle Plate, January 21,> > 1901. I'm not sure if this is the first one, but it shows the use of the> > name Puzzle since 1901.  British Berliner called their records> > "plates".  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaLog1I_4eg> >   I wish he learned how to macro focus his camera so we could see the> > labels.> >> > Mike Biel  [log in to unmask]> >> >> >> > -------- Original Message --------> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Homokord triple groove record> > From: Timothy Wisniewski <[log in to unmask]>> > Date: Mon, August 05, 2013 12:31 pm> > To: [log in to unmask]> >> > Hello, Mike.> >> > Is there a technical difference between a puzzle record and a roulette> > record? Or is it more of "puzzle record" being a specific genre term vs.> > roulette being a technical/form term for the multiple groove cutting> > process?> >> > Best,> > Tim> >> >> > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> >> > > Actually they are called Puzzle Records, not Roulette, and they date> > > back as far as the 1890s with an example on Berliner Records. Over on> > > the facebook "78 rpm records & cylinders fan group" two or three weeks> > > ago we had postings of the labels of about a dozen of these from the> > > collection of Curt Angstman who says he has over 40 of them on 78.> > >> > > Mike Biel [log in to unmask]> > >> > >> > >> > > From: Ellis Burman <[log in to unmask]>> > > > I was first introduced to this concept with Monty Python's "3 sided> > > record"> > > > "Matching Tie and Handkerchief". It had two grooves on one side. Ellis> > >> > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Timothy Wisniewski <> > > [log in to unmask]> wrote:> > >> > > >> I believe these are known as roulette records. The amazing folks at> > > >> Aardvark Record Mastering in Denver can cut one with up to 40 grooves> > > for> > > >> you if you so desire. http://aardvarkmastering.com/specialcuts.htm> > > >> > > >> > > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Cthurb <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > > >> > > >>> There were several variations on this type of record, for example> > horse> > > >>> race and children's stories. I have a few but without knowing the> > > artist> > > >>> I probably could not find any of them. I think most of these were> > from> > > >>> the late 1930s and 1940s Cheryl Thurber> > > > >> > >> > > On Aug 2, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Dan Nelson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > >> > > >>>> There was a Victor "Novelty Record", with music by Ray Noble I> > > >>>> believe that had 3 grooves inside each other. dnward> > >> > > On Fri, 8/2/13, James Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Many years ago, when I was working for Club 99, I saw a> > > > > > 78rpm record which had 3 sets of grooves on it, and,> > > > > > depending on where you placed the stylus at the outer edge,> > > > > > you would get one of three selections, but you'd never know> > > > > > which selection you would get. I think it was a> > > > > > Homokord. Does anyone have one of those they can spare? I> > > > > > would hope to buy it. I need it as part of an exhibition of> > > > > > vintage sound media and sound equipment.> > > > > > Please ping me offline.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks. Regards, Ben Roth> > >> >> >> >> > --> > Timothy Wisniewski, M.L.I.S.> >> > Visual Materials Archivist> > Alan Mason Chesney Medical Archives> > Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions> > 5801 Smith Avenue, Suite 235> > Baltimore, MD 21209> >> > > > -- > Timothy Wisniewski, M.L.I.S.> > Visual Materials Archivist> Alan Mason Chesney Medical Archives> Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions> 5801 Smith Avenue, Suite 235> Baltimore, MD 21209