Thank you Carl for a wonderful summation of what we classical collectors have been and perhaps will be, but as far as the original†RCA†LSC 2252 VAN CLIBURN, KIRIL KONDRAS TCHAIKOVSKY- LIVING STEREO LP, you haven't really heard it until you listen to the SACD version with the three discrete front channels. †So, there are still CD avenues that perhaps will last as long as LPs for those of us who will collect these wonderful reissues that we'll keep in our collections for a long time to come.

 From: Clark Johnsen <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] NYPL sells the vinyl collection -- I'm serious

Quite right you are -- there will soon be a swell of used CDs owing to
downloading and streaming. One must wonder though whether there will be a
backlash similar to that with LPs, wherein former owners regretted making
the switch to CD and had to repurchase their vinyl collections.

Lucky me, a house that ably holds 15K LPs and 30K 78s. Music in every room!


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Carl Pultz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Try this on: a collection of classical records was, for those of a certain
> age, a way of honoring a body of art that we respected and which also
> reflected a positive glow onto our self-images of being cultured, hip
> people. A remembrance of a time before public libraries, when the gentry
> had the books and shared their largess with those commoners whom they found
> worthy. Now it could be yours, timeless music, treated with care; not
> scratched up, passť, or otherwise disposable. So, we built it up with care
> and devotion, holding on to our collections until some change was forced on
> us: moving, downsizing, loss of independence, or death. Many holdings went
> off to other, somewhat younger, collectors, who are now repeating that
> cycle with even bigger, aggregated collections. We're now into a third or
> fourth generation for whom this accumulation is possible, now at lower cost
> in part because there is less demand.
> With perspective, we see a lot of the major label catalogs as being
> contractual obligation product, not really all that historically necessary.
> Plus, classical produced tons of reissues, attempts to squeeze a little
> more cash flow out of the back-catalogs, now simply redundant. You can
> guess what percentage of a random stack of classical albums is likely worth
> owning: maybe 5%? Probably higher from a good collection, but some you will
> already own. Even without the new formats, there is just more out there
> than can be digested.
> We're seeing a third wave of classical LPs washing up on a lonely shore,
> the first being from those who around 1990 'converted' to CD. It promises
> to be a tsunami. (Followed eventually by an ocean of unwanted CDs.) In my
> case, my older brother will leave to me his 5 or 6 thousand albums (unless
> he cleans house), and that would be added to my 4 thousand, crowding our
> little house, which I already have a hard time justifying. And there's my
> friend in Syracuse, who has a smaller but very select assemblage, who can't
> find anybody to take it on. My buddy who runs a very good record store has
> been choking on classical and doesn't want any more. Meanwhile, my digital
> holdings are growing, with each addition making the likelihood of any
> particular LP being played that much lower.
> Is it cool to see something talked about on the ARSC list, like the very
> early stereo recording of The Origin of Fire, and be able to pull it off
> the shelf and put it on? Yeah, serendipity is what makes having a
> collection fun. But, it's kind of silly, too. Ray Davies called it
> plastic-wear. We may love it, but if it's not unique it's just stuff, like
> all the other crap we've loaded up the planet with.
> We built these collections because we could. Ah, the burdens of wealth.
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> Just wondering why there is so much classical to be had.
> Is this because:
> So much classical has been re-released on CD?
> Classical collectors are an older lot and prefer the simplicity of a CD
> player?
> Classical collectors are quicker to adopt new & better sounding formats?
> Is classical less collectible than other genres?
> Of course all of these questions are certainly arguable.
> I'm just wondering.
> joe salerno