I doubt that we'll ever abandon the idea of uniformly constructed text strings to represent instances of things in categories. What were moving toward instead is a shared system where the identity of things such as Beethoven's 9th symphony is represented primarily by a machine-actionable ID. That ID in turn will be associated with one or more standard  text strings for representing the Work in appropriate contexts.  Full heading strings will still be appropriate in index lists. Clusters of faceted information associated with the ID will be another version of this representation, useful for faceted result displays. Associating a collection with the IDs for the Works it contains will be  more important than associating it with particular text strings; but the end user views will still follow some kind of cataloging standard for textual representation.

Stephen


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Trail, Nate <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Jean, I don't know about uniform titles ceasing to exist as strings, but currently, if you can construct it based on the individual properties, systems will be able to do that going forward. I would suspect that systems would keep the constructed strings as indexable entities whether or not the cataloger enters the parts that way.

Nate

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So there's such a thing as a Grouping Work, in addition to a regular Work? And this will function properly even though eventually those strings won't exist as strings? In the (to use today's terms) authority record for that Beethoven piece or any other music composition, the title, medium, number(s), key, and/or if relevant, other bits of identifying information will be present, but they won't be preassembled into a string. They are in different elements (currently, different MARC tags and sometimes different subfields within a MARC tag), so they are entirely distinguishable by machine, but the string eventually won't exist as a string. Bibframe is going to be able to handle all that?

Jean

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Jean,

Each of those titles would be BIBFRAME Works in their own right, but would also relate to a grouping Work with what you have as the uniform title as it's title.
Therefore, a search for the "Robert Shaw legacy" would tell you it's part of a larger collection of stuff, and a search for your uniform title string will allow you to discover the individual titles associated with it.


Nate

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I haven't seen anything yet that struck me as handling this situation (but quite possibly I've missed something):

In my library we have publications with these titles:

.       Beethoven greatest hits
.       Historische Aufnahmen
.       Wilhelm Furtwängler
.       WRR Classical 101.1 FM, 50th anniversary
.       The Robert Shaw legacy (1956-1997)
.       Discover the symphony
.       The artistry of Philippe Herreweghe
.       Joy! The great composers' hits for the 70's


All of them (and many more) contain, in whole or in part, the work (FRBR sense) we in the U.S. have been calling Beethoven, Ludwig van, 1770-1827. Symphonies, no. 9, op. 125, D minor

The work is currently identified by a conjunction of the composer's name and a title formulated by recipe, but no publication is ever going to have exactly that title on the title page or the disc label or the title frame/title screen or any other imaginable source within the resource. Although all but one of my examples are in English, that is pure chance; resources containing this work might be in any language, but the notation will be readable even by a user who cannot read the title.

RDA allows for recording all the information in that string, but eventually it will not exist as a string constructed by the cataloger. Right now RDA does include rules for formulating such strings, but those are, as I understand it, an interim measure. Eventually, they will not exist. Nevertheless, Bibframe will need to give users a way to find all the resources that contain some particular "work" of this sort.

How does Bibframe accommodate such FRBR works and make them discoverable?


Jean Harden
Coordinator of Music Technical Services
University of North Texas
Denton, TX  76203
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