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I agree, I think. The conference as an entity compiles both the program and the proceedings by assembling the creations of others--presentation titles, abstracts, papers--in combination with other information (schedule, rooms, etc.) A publicity flyer for the conference created by its organizers might be a case where the conference itself would be the author. Stephen On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM, CHRISTOPHER WALKER <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > It makes little sense to me that the proceedings of a conference, > and its program (when they are separate publications) > might have different relationship designators. > > What user task is served by making a distinction? > > Christopher H. Walker > Serials Cataloging Librarian > Penn State's representative to the CONSER Operations Committee > Member at Large, ALCTS CRS Executive Committee 2013/2016 > 126 Paterno Library > The Pennsylvania State University > University Park, PA 16802-1812 > (814) 865-4212 > [log in to unmask] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Hearn" <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 2:36:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] relationship designator for conference > > > To me the creative action of a conference is precisely in compiling > (aggregating, bringing together) content created by the participants to > make an aggregated work/expression. Initiating, inspiring, motivating the > content presented--I don't see those as warranting "creator" status. They'd > belong with the "association" relationships listed in I.2.2. > > > Stephen > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Layne, Sara < [log in to unmask] > > wrote: > > Yes, but ... I don't think 'compiler' captures what is really most > important about the relationship of the conference to these > works/expressions, which is that the conference is responsible for > initiating the *creation* of the data that is then being compiled. > > Sara Shatford Layne > > From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [ [log in to unmask] ] on > behalf of Stephen Hearn [ [log in to unmask] ] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 9:18 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] relationship designator for conference > > "Compiler" is defined in Appendix I.2.1 as "A person, family, or corporate > body responsible for creating a new work (e.g., a bibliography, a > directory) by selecting, arranging, aggregating, and editing data, > information, etc. For a compiler as a contributor, see editor of > compilation." > > > If the conference event itself and the published proceedings and a video > record of the event are all considered expressions of the content which the > conference created as a work, it's not too much of a stretch to consider > the conference as selecting, arranging, and aggregating the work's content. > The person who whips the proceedings into shape for publication would be > "editor of compilation" leaving credit for compiling the work to the > conference itself. > > Stephen > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Melanie Shaw < [log in to unmask] > > wrote: > > "Compiler of proceedings" would not work well with other publications > authored by conferences, such as official programs, and abstracts of > sessions, to name just a few I've had to deal with recently. > > Melanie Shaw > Cataloger > Utah State University > Merrill-Cazier Library > Logan, Utah 84322 > melanie.shaw > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Layne, Sara < [log in to unmask] > > wrote: > > > Interesting suggestion, but ... "Compiler of proceedings" sounds (to me) > like a description of an editor who assembled the papers from the > conference into a publication, not a description of the corporate entity > (the conference) that caused the papers to be generated in the first place. > > Sara Shatford Layne > Recently Retired from the UCLA Library > > ________________________________________ > From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [ [log in to unmask] ] on > behalf of Tarango, Adolfo [ [log in to unmask] ] > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 7:28 AM > > > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] relationship designator for conference > > Compiler of proceedings. > > Adolfo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto: [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 12:33 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] relationship designator for conference > > Some people are using "author" for conferences, but I agree that's not > ideal. The PCC Guidelines allow us to use the element name, so one could > use "creator". If we were to create a new designator specifically for > conferences, what would you call it? > > Adam Schiff > University of Washington Libraries > > On Thu, 8 Aug 2013, Kevin M Randall wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 17:11:54 +0000 > > From: Kevin M Randall < [log in to unmask] > > > Reply-To: Program for Cooperative Cataloging < [log in to unmask]> > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: relationship designator for conference > > > > RDA 19.2.1.1.1 says that a conference is considered to be the creator of > a work that reports the collective activity of that conference. RDA > 6.27.1.2 then says that the name of the conference is used as the first > part of the authorized access point. Thus the name of the conference would > go into MARC field 110/111. As for relationship designators, they would > have to come from RDA I.2.1, and currently there are no terms in that list > that are appropriate. It would be best to omit a relationship designator > instead of applying one that is incorrect. (Note that "sponsoring body" and > "issuing body" are in RDA I.2.2, and are not appropriate for use with > creators.) I'm not sure if anyone has proposed a new relationship > designator for conferences considered to be creators, but I think it would > be a good idea! > > > > Kevin M. Randall > > Principal Serials Cataloger > > Northwestern University Library > > [log in to unmask] <mailto: [log in to unmask] > > > (847) 491-2939 > > > > Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! > > > > From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto: > [log in to unmask] ] On Behalf Of Rebecca Uhl > > Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 11:46 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: [PCCLIST] relationship designator for conference > > > > According to the PCC guidelines for relationship designators, we are > supposed to be adding a relationship designator to access points for > creators, and are strongly encouraged to do so for all access points. But > what about conferences? None of the examples in the guidelines are for > conferences, just people. Are conferences "creators"? > > > > We haven't seen many relationship designators for conferences at all, > whether they are in a 111 or 711. In an OCLC search of recent (2012-2013) > RDA records with conference headings, I found NLM is consistently using the > relationship designator, but LC and other PCC libraries are (apparently) > not doing so. Some of these records were created in July 2013, after the > guidelines were released, so should we use them for conferences or not? If > we do, what do we call them? Author? Sponsoring body? Issuing body? > > > > Your insights will be greatly appreciated! > > > > Becky > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Adam L. Schiff > Principal Cataloger > University of Washington Libraries > Box 352900 > Seattle, WA 98195-2900 > (206) 543-8409 > (206) 685-8782 fax > [log in to unmask] > http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist > Technical Services, University Libraries > University of Minnesota > 160 Wilson Library > 309 19th Avenue South > Minneapolis, MN 55455 > Ph: 612-625-2328 > -- Stephen Hearn, Metadata Strategist Technical Services, University Libraries University of Minnesota 160 Wilson Library 309 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55455 Ph: 612-625-2328 Fx: 612-625-3428