Not to comment on the merits of the discussion…. But just to thank you for this delightful Friday reminder of the glories of PDQ Bach! :-) From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:38 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] NACO Training Materials on CLW page Chuck, are you saying that the following three access points would be sufficient to identify three different resources: Bach, P. D. Q., 1742-1807. Works. Selections Bach, P. D. Q., 1742-1807. Works. Selections Bach, P. D. Q., 1742-1807. Works. Selections The first being for "1712 overture & other musical assaults", the second for "A little nightmare music; Octoot; Royal firewater musick"; and the third for "Jekyll & Hyde tour". Because that's what it looks like you are saying in the sentence "I would be happy with Works. Selections applying to all three of these collections." Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978! From: Program for Cooperative Cataloging [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herrold, Charles Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 7:44 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PCCLIST] NACO Training Materials on CLW page Amy Turner makes some excellent observations. I found an extraordinary set of “aggregate work” ARs while doing some cataloging maintenance yesterday: 046 ǂk 1989 1001 Bach, P. D. Q., ǂd 1742-1807. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (1712 overture & other musical assaults) 380 Aggregate work 4001 Bach, P. D. Q., ǂd 1742-1807. ǂt 1712 overture & other musical assaults 4001 Bach, P. D. Q., ǂd 1742-1807. ǂt 1712 overture and other musical assaults 4001 Schickele, Peter. ǂt Selections ǂw nnea 667 Includes: 1712 overture : S. 1712; Bach portrait; Capriccio La pucelle de New Orleans = The maid of New Orleans : S. under 18; Minuet militaire : S. 1A; Prelude to Einstein on the fritz : S. e=mt2; The preachers of Crimetheus : ballet in one selfless act : S. 988. 670 1712 overture & other musical assaults, 1989 046 ǂk 1983 1001 Bach, P. D. Q., ǂd 1742-1807. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (A little nightmare music ; Octoot ; Royal firewater musick) 380 Aggregate work 4001 Bach, P. D. Q., ǂd 1742-1807. ǂt Little nightmare music ; Octoot ; Royal firewater musick 4001 Schickele, Peter. ǂt Selections ǂw nnea 667 Includes: A little nightmare music ; Octoot ; Royal firewater musick 670 LCCN 85-755075: Schickele, P. A little nightmare music ; Octoot ; Royal firewater musick [SR] p1983. 046 ǂk 2007 1001 Bach, P. D. Q., ǂd 1742-1807. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (Jekyll & Hyde tour) 380 Aggregate work 4001 Bach, P. D. Q., ǂd 1742-1807. ǂt Jekyll & Hyde tour 4001 Bach, P. D. Q., ǂd 1742-1807. ǂt Jekyll and Hyde tour 667 Includes works by P.D.Q. Bach and Peter Schickele: Long live the king / P.D.Q. Bach ; Four Next-to-Last songs: Das kleines Birdie, Der Cowboykönig, Gretchen am Spincycle, Es war ein dark und shtormy Night / P.D.Q. Bach ; String quartet in F major (The Moose): Allegro ma non troposphere, Largo alla Fargo, Menuetto no sweato, Grave e molto deepo, Allegro con brie / P.D.Q. Bach ; Two rounds: Hedi McKinley, D'Indy's Turkey / Peter Schickele ; Two P.D.Q. Bach rounds: The Mule, O serpent / P.D.Q. Bach ; Two songs: If love is real, Cyndi / Peter Schickele ; Songs from Shakespeare: Macbeth's soliloquy, Hamlet's soliloquy, The three witches from Macbeth, Juliet's soliloquy, Funeral oration from "Julius Caesar" / Peter Schickele ; Listen here, Tyrannosaurus Rex / Peter Schickele. 670 The Jekyll & Hyde tour, 2007. I just don’t see the purpose of such differentiation, especially for the second case, which lacks a collective title. OK, I’ll confess that I don’t understand the difference between an aggregate work and a compilation, but whatever the FRBR niceties of that involve, I would be happy with Works. Selections applying to all three of these collections. I do understand that these records were created by a library that was one of the early adopters of RDA and they might represent experiments that demonstrate the capabilities of RDA to differentiate such resources. In our catalog we have three such P.D.Q. aggregates, the first cited above, plus The dreaded P.D.Q. Bach collection and The ill-conceived P.D.Q. Bach anthology. Obviously the latter two would qualify for name-title records as well, but we will keep them under Works. Selections. Chuck Herrold