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Good to know. I will go check mine (I have that same set), when I get home next week. If mine is OK, I could probably rip it for you. But I think the Naxos issues are much better than the BMG set too. The documentation with the BMG set is pretty good, tho, as I recall. I have not had any BMG CD's fail yet, at least that I know of. Re Tom's post, I haven't had any older ones warp yet either, although I have had a number of them "go bad" by bronzing, laser rot or whatever it is (poor manufacture). Best, John On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Dave Burnham <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi John > > No, it wasn't the pearl set; this box was issued by Victor, (BMG). > > db > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 7, 2013, at 2:24 PM, John Haley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > Hi, David. Thanks for mentioning the problem with the Caruso set. I > will > > go check mine. If that was the Pearl set, an awful lot of those old > Pearls > > have bronzed and gone bad. Very common. > > > > The good news is that you can get much superior transfers/restorations, > and > > a more complete set, as done by Marston, on Naxos. These are also way > > better than the big BMG set. > > > > Best, > > John Haley > > > > > >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:07 AM, DAVID BURNHAM <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> > >> I've never seen one of my CDs warped - my earliest CDs were purchased in > >> 1982 and they play fine. However, one set I purchased, the complete > Caruso > >> recordings on Victor, completely self-destructed while I wasn't > watching; > >> I think the problem was blamed on the label, a replica of the early Red > >> Seal Bat Wing. > >> > >> db > >> > >> > >> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]> > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:20:27 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Maximizing CD Storage Space > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Don: > >>> > >>> A single hard drive definitely won't last longer. We've discussed > >> managed/migrated storage ad > >>> nauseum here. Don't worry, I think you're probably older than I am, so > >> your CDs will outlast you if > >>> you take care of them. I'm guessing mine will too, but I've already had > >> problems with seldom-played > >>> early-era discs. One problem CDs have is that they warp even under good > >> storage conditions. I assume > >>> the plastic expands and contracts and a different rate from the > aluminum, > >> perhaps causing warping > >>> over time. Once they get un-flat enough, they are hard for many players > >> to reliably read at 1x > >>> speed, but seem to be OK to rip in my Plextor PC drive. > >>> > >>> -- Tom Fine > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Don Cox" <[log in to unmask]> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]> > >>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:04 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Maximizing CD Storage Space > >>> > >>> > >>>>> On 06/11/2013, Tom Fine wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Agree they should have used a less-brittle kind of plastic, but I'm > >>>>> sure the cost factor figured in. Also remember that in the early CD > >>>>> days, discs were sold in cardboard long boxes, so less likely you'd > >>>>> get a damaged jewel case. If you break one at home, replacements are > >>>>> dirt-cheap. > >>>>> > >>>>> I really like the soft plastic Gaylord boxes that libraries use, but > >>>>> they are frosted semi-opaque, which makes reading the spine harder. > >>>>> > >>>>> As a matter of course, one should handle their CD collection with > care > >>>>> because so many discs are now out of print. Fingerprints are toxic, > >>>>> and circular scratches often cause fatal read errors. > >>>>> Non-deep/non-wide scratches that go from center to edge (ie not along > >>>>> the circle) are less likely to cause read errors, but should be > >>>>> avoided. One problem with envelopes is that they can be conducive to > >>>>> scratches, especially in a dirty environment. I'm more and more of > the > >>>>> mind that it's wise to rip our CDs to hard drives, not counting on > the > >>>>> discs being playable long-term. I worry about players eventually not > >>>>> existing (not likely in my lifetime, but possible) and the discs > >>>>> getting unplayable from some aging process that we don't yet know > >>>>> about (plastic is, after all, plastic and thus not 100% stable over > >>>>> time). > >>>> Amber is chemically similar to plastics and lasts for millions of > years. > >>>> > >>>> Man-made plastics have varying lifetimes. Nylon, for instance, lasts a > >>>> few decades before crumbling. > >>>> > >>>> I think polycarbonate is one of the better ones. > >>>> > >>>> I don't understand why you think a hard drive will last longer. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> -- > >>>> Don Cox > >>>> [log in to unmask] > >> >