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Yeah, we're on the same page Tom. But I would like this instance to serve the broader purpose of being more exact and less anecdotal about who "owns" what in the world of older sound recordings. I think the real answer in more cases than we think is that nobody knows anymore.

James

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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Paramount Box Set - where the artwork was sourced from

Hi James:

That was my point in nailing Steve down on what exactly Tefteller said. I suspect there's no "bootlegging" going on at all, but perhaps some sour grapes over not renting original source material from one person or another.

-- Tom Fine

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From: "Wolf, James L" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Paramount Box Set - where the artwork was sourced from


> On the subject of the Paramount set and "bootlegging," I'd prefer that until the set is proven in 
> a court of law to be a bootleg or otherwise illegal re-issue, it not be referred to as such. 
> Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
>
> Over the years I have heard a lot of talk about the alleged ownership of Paramount, Black Swan, 
> Emerson and other small 78 labels. But despite numerous re-issues over the last 20 years I have 
> seen no legal action that has established the definitive ownership of these recordings. While the 
> Paramount set is not of great interest to me as a collector, I hope that its existence can settle 
> once and for all the question of whether anyone truly owns the rights to the recordings it 
> contains.
>
> James
>
>
> Standard disclaimer: All opinions are personal and do not reflect policy or position of the 
> Library of Congress.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf 
> Of Michael Gillman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 10:03 AM
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> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Paramount Box Set - where the artwork was sourced from
>
> Some pictures of the set.
>
> http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=vinyl&m=1064579
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Steve Ramm <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Tom: you'll have to ask John. I emailed him when I first heard about
>> the set last month - especially when I heard about the ART BOOK and he
>>  replied:
>>
>> "No, I had NOTHING to do with that Paramount set.. I consider that set
>> a bootleg product and am not promoting it in any way."
>>
>> I didn't follow up. Since John owns the large stash of Artwork - he
>> was planning a DV of it about 6 years ago (at less than the set from
>> TMR)- that he  found, the material in the Revenant/Third Man set must
>> have come from somewhere  else.
>>
>> But John may have been referring to the "artwork" and not the
>> recordings as  bootlegs.
>>
>> That's all I know.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/3/2013 2:08:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> Hi  Steve:
>>
>> So can you explain Tefteller's "bootleg" comment? You've  repeated it
>> several times in your posts.
>> "Bootleg" suggest something  illegal or illegitimate about this
>> product, which does not seem to be the  case.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
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>